Warrantless Searches, Gun Consfiscation Begins In Boston

There are so many things wrong with this, I don’t hardly know where to begin:

Boston police are launching a program that will call upon parents in high-crime neighborhoods to allow detectives into their homes, without a warrant, to search for guns in their children’s bedrooms.

The program, which is already raising questions about civil liberties, is based on the premise that parents are so fearful of gun violence and the possibility that their own teenagers will be caught up in it that they will turn to police for help, even in their own households.

In the next two weeks, Boston police officers who are assigned to schools will begin going to homes where they believe teenagers might have guns. The officers will travel in groups of three, dress in plainclothes to avoid attracting negative attention, and ask the teenager’s parent or legal guardian for permission to search. If the parents say no, police said, the officers will leave.

If officers find a gun, police said, they will not charge the teenager with unlawful gun possession, unless the firearm is linked to a shooting or homicide.

The program was unveiled yesterday by Police Commissioner Edward F. Davis in a meeting with several community leaders. Police To Search For Guns In Homes

This is supposed to be “ok” since they’re “ask permission” of the parents. Yeah, right. Warrantless searches and gun confiscation because we’re the police and we get to decide for you.

Why do these morons still believe that they are “protecting us” as they trample upon our civil liberties? (that’s a rhetorical question). The truth is, they don’t believe it, and they have no intentions of protecting our liberties and are doing everything they can to usher in the police state.

“This isn’t evidence that we’re going to present in a criminal case,” said Davis, who met with community leaders yesterday to get feedback on the program. “This is a seizing of a very dangerous object. . . .

The only dangerous object in question here is the armed thugs going around dictating and deciding who’s still got the right to privacy, gun ownership, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Boston police officials touted the success of the St. Louis program’s first year, when 98 percent of people approached gave consent and St. Louis police seized guns from about half of the homes they searched.

And I bet crime rates didn’t go down one iota, but I’m guessing here. Too disgusted to look them up.

But the number of people who gave consent plunged in the next four years, as the police chief who spearheaded the effort left and department support fell, according to a report published by the National Institute of Justice.

These morons still believe that guns are the cause of violence and that simply taking them away will make everyone “law abiding”. Good little citizen-slaves who will just line right up to the coming slaughter as intended.

I’m no advocate of teenage violence (of any type), but invading peoples homes in the sheer hope of finding a gun, that might have been linked to a crime is grasping at straws. It will lead to wrongful charges, planted guns, pissed off parents and shootings of cops by parents and teenagers. And it won’t do a damned thing to stop violence.

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9 thoughts on “Warrantless Searches, Gun Consfiscation Begins In Boston

  • November 17, 2007 at 11:27 am
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    Police see any noncompliance as guilt,everyone knows that. To refuse a police request usually leads to an escalation of hostility,some policeman live for that,but only because they have all the advantage. One thing they didn’t mention is that police will usually confiscate more than just the one item because they see anything of value as fruit of criminal activity. These items including guns are sold at auction and the proceeds are used to fund the department. Guns are purchased by law abiding citizens,their house is broken into by teens,and the cycle continues all the while the police dept. grows from the increased funding. These methods will not work. To break this cycle is the responsibilty of the lawful gun owner to keep is guns secured in a safe. It should be purchased before any firearms.
  • November 17, 2007 at 11:31 am
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    The kids who obtained guns without their parents knowing can certainly do so again, so it’s at best a temporary “improvement”. I suspect it will only engender further enmity between the kids and their parents.

    It certainly is statistically true that young black males commit a lot of violent crime in inner cities, but I suspect it’s mostly a result of poor parenting, or a sheer lack of parenting, with many families lacking one parent (the other being in prison on minor drug charges), and a society that anyway forces both parents to work. In one parent families, the remaining parent simply needs to work twice as much.

    That’s probably a direct result of the fiscal (and general) idiocy, cronyism, etc of our great leaders.

    Add to that a lack of compelling opportunities for young black people, a terrible education system, and a feeling that police (and their rich, white “masters”) are more akin to an occupying army than a force designed to protect them, and you have a lot of disillusioned kids with unhappy family lives who realize there’s no future for them within The System.

    Getting a gun, joining a gang… having a shot at making some REAL money (with drug prices inflated due to prohibition)… and fighting back against the occupying force and The System that they rightly or wrongly feel is oppressing them. Not unexpected.

    Taking their guns won’t help a damned thing.

  • November 17, 2007 at 12:07 pm
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    “Police see any noncompliance as guilt,everyone knows that. To refuse a police request usually leads to an escalation of hostility”

    Damn true. I’ve had police threaten to kill me just because I asked them to wait a moment while I finished tying my shoes before showing them my ID. Not that they have any right to see ID in the first place. (But just try refusing!)

    I’ve NEVER had a good interaction with police, even when I was the one who called them! (My car was stolen, police did nothing, so I got it back myself. The police went nuts!) I’ll never call them again. I just want to keep away from those crazies in uniform…

  • November 17, 2007 at 12:15 pm
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    Actually, now that I look the ‘white middle aged woman’ part, my police interactions have been okay. Even when pulled over for expired license tags a few days after a major assault on a local police station. It helps that it was the police in the county NEXT to mine that have pulled me (or my son) over. The police in MY county … well. They shoot a lot of civilians, and always get off.
  • November 17, 2007 at 12:32 pm
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    Good point Adam. Avoid them at all costs, “Anything you say can and WILL be used against you as evidence”
  • November 17, 2007 at 4:14 pm
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    I wanted to add my observations.

    First, if you don’t have a witness with you and on your side, your just out of luck. Give up. Let ’em slap the cuffs on you. Go peacably. In any court, the judge defers to the officer. I’ve had it happen in traffic stops. My word against his, the judge ruled in favor of the officer. Another time I ran a red light (a week ago). The cop pulled on his emergency transmitter and made the light go red prematurely making me run a ‘red’ light. My wife was in the car and could be a witness that the light changed quick. The cop quickly changed his tune to ‘be careful’ – and no ticket was given!

    Second, *never* put up any resistance. You are toast if you do. If they want to bust you, they will. I was at a college beer party and it was broken up by police. Unlike the guy in the video at Vancouver Airport guy who got ‘terminate the target’ treatment – I cooperated and let them put the cuffs on. My other friend was arguing and flailing and he got roughed up. So forget it, you never win. I spent the night in jail – and it was friggin cold. But when my case came up later all charges were dropped.

  • November 18, 2007 at 12:32 am
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    I’ve always been polite to cops, because doing otherwise never improves the situation. And they’re usually not total assholes right off the bat. But I have a tendency to ask questions if something doesn’t seem right. (“It may be illegal, but is it wrong?” “By the way, which law is that? I want to read it…”)

    That’s when it turns sour. They don’t seem to like ANY questions. Being adults, you’d think that they’d be capable of a polite, rational conversation. Instead they just start hurling threats. Sometimes even death threats. It really scares me that such people hold the power.

  • November 26, 2007 at 7:14 am
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    They are self-selecting (armed) thugs, pure and simple….the schoolyard bully, in adult form. Sociopaths seeking power over others, “us” vs. “them”, thin blue line bulls***.
    They might have been ended up as criminals themselves (such as mafioso enforcers), but lack the mental fortitude and creative thought processes and/or imagination for such occupations.
    ‘To serve and protect’….their elite masters.
  • November 26, 2007 at 7:15 am
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    “When the government fears the people, there is liberty.
    When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.” – Thomas Jefferson

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