Road Blocks, Why You Will Need Them and How to Go About Creating Them

[This will be the first entry in a new blog category, Practical Preparations. Many of the past blog entries should be included in this category though I don’t have the time to redo them for inclusion – Admin]

Road Blocks For Survival

Road blocks are something that nobody really thinks about, especially creating them yourself, but on the subject of practical preparations for collapse, here are some thoughts on the subject.

I am one of those individuals that does not support the idea of bugging out. There are many, many discussions on this subject found online, a few that I have written here myself.

Bugging out implies that you are leaving home base and relocating to either a known or unknown destination (‘getting outta dodge’). Many, many people are planning on this. Some to the woods, others to prepared rural locations, others just to get out of dodge when the balloon goes up.

My anti-advocacy of this concept is based on several factors:

1) you can only carry so much with you;
2) you are exposed on the roads and highways and subject to control, confiscation, robbery and murder;
3) most of these plans require exorbitant amounts of fuel which will be assumed to be in short supply;
4) your destination is either prepared or not, but what you carry with you is absolutely critical and will quickly be in very short supply;
5) you are subject to mechanical breakdown;
6) defensive protection is very difficult when traveling;
7) a great many unknowns can and probably will exist making any journey risky;
8) the only successful bugout planning is to have a fully prepared place to go to; if you have that, why are you “bugging out” then anyway?
9) even the best laid plans go astray and probably will.

Refugees (evacuees leaving their homes) simply do not fare very well on the road. They are limited in what they can carry and subject to all kinds of risks and controls. This blog entry is how to increase their failures and why you would do so.


Refugees simply do not belong “there”, wherever there actually is, during collapse. They’re not at home, and they become everyone’s problem. In effect, a refugee is everyone’s problem.

Hurricane Katrina evacuees for example, had gigantic impacts upon the regions they invaded. While this is not a bad thing and was very necessary response during this crisis and many others like this, the context of this crisis was actually quite different then the context of collapse.

In collapse, refugees will be seen a vermin. There are many reasons for this. Their impacts upon health, sanitation, food supplies, fuel supplies and critical resources including hospitals, doctors, medicines and wildlife will be seen as highly negative during times of national critical shortages.

Dislocated populations because of food shortages, environmental collapse, war or rebellion, or economic collapse will dramatically affect other populations, none for the better.

Resentment and outright refusal to allow refugees to impact an already bad situation will be the expected result in many locations. Stopping them will not be that difficult.


Many bug out contenders believe that they can hit the woods and survive off the land. This might work for about six weeks until the wildlife population is decimated by a few thousand (or more) hungry mouths. Food preservation becomes a severe, critical problem with a multitude of scavengers in the woods, and much wildlife food will be lost for this reason.

Another larger issue is how these type of refugees will negatively impact the wild available food for the local residents. This will be seen as a highly negative invasion. I am personally aware of people who will simply kill refugees that are decimating the wildlife in their area. This will not be seen as a kumbaya “we must all share” event, but survival of who has enough to eat and who does not. Future food supplies will be secured by those who are prepared to make sure that it still exist.

This is in effect, no different then the rancher who protects his herd of cows (he’ll need help of course). Not only is his own lifestyle at stake, his own life is at risk and his future if he permits his cows to be devoured without protecting breeding elements (at the very least) of the herd.

Avid hunters already know the real conditions of our wildlife populations, as do biologist and wildlife researchers. It is already clear that they will not last long once our agricultural systems and just-in-time delivery stops working due to climate change or energy depletion.

Wildlife extermination is not anything new, so this should really not be news to anyone, it has been going on for many thousands of years. What is new however, is our ability, even on an individual level, to accelerate this collapse, or to do the exact opposite, protecting what is left. A single individual with a assault rifle can wreck havoc in just moments and anyone can buy or own one of these.

Refugees that have hit the woods and are trying to survive out there will run into local protection groups who will be just as well armed as they are and intimately familiar with the terrain and topography. “Food fights” take on a whole new meaning as hungry civilians compete against each other armed to the teeth.

I do not expect the refugees to survive this and there are several reasons why. They by necessity, will be less equipped in terms of supplies, food, aid, health and medicine. Their “supply line” is in fact, non-existent, which will not be the case for the locals, who will have both houses and food (perhaps), access (if even limited), to supplies, food, aid and better health in many cases.

The only unknown here is whether or not the local population will engage itself with this issue early on. Eventually, yes, they will have to. Those thinking ahead will do this early on as a means of self-preservation. There would be no point in hunkering down in their homes while the local wildlife populations are exterminated all around them, since these are critical food elements for themselves.

The better answer then becomes dealing with the refugee problem before it gets out of hand.

Roadblocks – Why You Will Need Them

Keeping away the hungry horde will be necessary if your community is going to survive. The concept of local resources only has meaning if they are not badly exploited or decimated. This includes literally everything, heating wood, fuel or energy sources, food sources, medicine, doctors, hospitals, etc., all of the things that the local community needs to survive.

An influx of refugees can quickly overwhelm these resources rather badly. Many border towns with Mexico have hospitals that have declared bankruptcy for this reason, hundreds of them. They were overwhelmed by the demands of immigrants needing services for which they were never paid for.

Refugees will in effect, have nothing to offer the local residents (really). In collapse, the survival of the community and the individual in that community becomes paramount. Local communities already have their populations who are already engaged at whatever level with their communities. Outsiders may not necessary be accepted if they cannot make meaningful contributions. Most will be seen as a drain on critical resources, people who “do not belong here” much like immigrants are seen today.

The easiest way to deal with refugees is to do it early on. It would also be easier to deal with them by not letting this situation happen in the first place, but that is assumed for the sake of this blog entry to not be possible.

Refugees will be traveling by foot, automobile or boat. The few plane loads that can be envisioned aren’t going to be mentioned here, because they can be dealt with the same way as the rest anyway.

Refugees on foot will be the least prepared, but the most desperate, due to their greater need. This means that they will be potentially very dangerous. With them will be only that which they have been able to carry, which really isn’t much and one of the big reasons I do not advocate becoming a refugee yourself.

Refugees on foot are much harder to control. Roadblocks will not work except for the bicycle-enabled, and only those that will refuse to abandon their bikes.

Refugees in vehicles will be the best armed and best equipped, but even they will be surprisingly short-lived (to them) and easiest to control. Most can be stopped by reinforced roadblocks. Some will then abandon their vehicles and possessions and become the walking wounded, thereby increasing their numbers.

I won’t go into how to deal with the walking wounded (on-foot refugee) in this article.

How To Create Roadblocks

Map out the entire area in your region on a detailed map. Circle all of the access points from several miles out. This can be done from your home or from your town’s center. A surprising number of entry points from the ground will be discovered, including back roads, jeep trails, even river or lake access. Airports and landable roadways for small planes should also be circled.

These circled areas are the places where vehicle traffic can enter (or leave). These are the areas that need to be reinforced.

Wide open areas, with road passing through open spaces are impossible to effectively control. Today’s modern vehicles and some highly modified custom vehicles, can simply drive around roadblocks in such areas. These are not worth bothering with.

From the circled points, identify chokepoints where the road or trail access narrows down. You are looking for places where obstacles can be erected or setup to prevent vehicle access from advancing any further. This should be several miles out from your central location, the farther the better. Those that abandon their vehicles will then have to attempt to walk the rest of the distance, carrying what little they can.

Road blocks can be setup using other vehicles (remove the wheels), boulders, heavy equipment, dirt or gravel berms or trees. Trees are relatively easy to drop across roads and a multitude of trees becomes truly impassable (but can be burned, given enough time). Roadblocks should be extremely difficult to remove, require concerted time and effort, making the safety of removing them under guard truly impossible.

Interspersing a tree-block for example, with dirt berms or boulder, abandon and disabled (unmovable) vehicles and such like (non-burnable) will last as long as you might want it to last. But even this doesn’t make it truly impassable and will still need to be defended.

Access roads leading around roadblocks should be identified on the map and dealt with in the same way. Heavy, non-movable objects can be rolled into position or trees dropped to prevent further vehicle access.

Guards teams armed with assault rifles, sniper rifles, night vision and radios (for reinforcements) would be strategically posted 24/7. Alternative but likely routes to be tried around the main roadblocks would also need to be guarded if there were enough people to help.

Warning signs to deter further access several miles back would be useful. A final warning point, not to be crossed, would be fair. Snipers at this point could be utilized to deter further access by the timid and to ensure that the community means business.

But the roadblocks would be tested by the determined, who would find themselves in a cross-fire situation from hidden assault, unable to advance or retreat. Their survival or defeat would rest in the hands of the defenders. Any inherited assets could be given to the community.

For ethical considerations, I would advocate a means of communication with refugees before lethal force is utilized. This could be done by large signs, radio, buried telephone lines, loudspeakers or what have you. Not everyone is a threat and not everyone should be repelled.

Roadblocks can be defeated by force alone, which means their removal by equipment or labor, explosives (including by air), by burning (if possible) and ultimately, be deterioration. Determine the effectiveness and life-expectancy of each road block and the best construction method with these things in mind.


If you haunt any of the boards and forums on the Internet dealing with this subject, you will quickly learn that there is a sizable contingent of prepared individuals and even teams, that are preparing to do anything to survive. Most of these plans revealed deal with vehicular access and survival. Their expectation is to be able to bug out, and take what they want as they journey from point to point.

By making them the walking wounded (those that survive their initial assaults against your town), they will be limited to foot survival and only what they can carry and kill to eat. This will weed out most of them quickly.  The rest will simply go assault some other town or area.  Just hope you don’t live there.

Those “dismounted” and survived, will survive themselves by becoming predators, eating whatever they might find, including you. Cannibalism is not uncommon even today, and can be expected to resurface again.

Patrols will be necessary to weed these predators out from your area. This will be highly dangerous as the advantage does not always stay in your court. This is why it is essential that repelling refugees be done as far away from your area as is practical. This will limit the roving predators and also help limit their numbers from joining forces easily.

But it won’t stop them. Any area as heavily defended as described will be deemed a desirable target and therefore, it will be probed for access and weak points and resources (medicine, food, fuel, weapons, etc.). Many such points will undoubtedly exist, this is why guerrilla warfare is impossible to stop to this day. The best you can do is to make it exceedingly difficult and dangerous, which will deter all but the most determined.


The biggest problems with roadblocks that I can foresee are these:

a) poor timing; by the time a roadblock is determined to be needed, it will be too late already, refugees will have already overwhelmed your region.

b) insufficient help.

c) resistance from “authorities”; goes without saying that most people will resist the notion of “defending their town” until it’s much too late and the body count is self-evident of the need.

d) lack of proper equipment or materials; self-explanatory.

e) lack of suitable terrain or topography; flat ground is impossible to defend against vehicles.

Finally, to complicate things even further, roadblocks would still need to provide controlled access. A single entry-point allowing controlled access is easier control then 17, or 30 different ways to enter your town or area. The need for a entry point should be obvious, people you do want to allow entry and exit, the exchange of goods, labor and supplies and such like.

The decision to even have road blocks is not mine to make and nothing in this blog entry implies this. But dealing with the refugee problem, what we have all come to call the “zombie mutant hordes” is quite real when our civilization collapses.

Staying put is safer for everyone. Working out your survival issues right at home makes the most sense of all, if possible. But in collapse, every town is at risk, and not just from refugees. The relocalization efforts to make towns self-sufficient is a great place to get involved and will go further then anything else at this time to protecting your town.

Just remember though, that self-sufficient towns will also become magnets for all kinds of people, including undesirable people. It’s one of my pet-peeves about eco-villages, they’re not preparing adequately for their defense.

Crisis brings out the worst in many people. It would be nice to assume that we’ll all cooperate to get along and survive, but counting on this is probably a terrible mistake. History shows us that crisis stresses human relationships and our treatment of each other far beyond the breaking points.


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11 thoughts on “Road Blocks, Why You Will Need Them and How to Go About Creating Them

  • December 3, 2008 at 7:41 am
    Excellent post!

    A couple of things. First of all, I don’t think the “hordes” will get very far. In such a situation, there will probably be limited fuel and most people, even socalled outdoorspeople are way too unskilled to make a living out in the wilds.

    The ones who will pose the problems are people like us, here on this site who have plans. But maybe not well enough thought out to actually be on the site upfront. Roadblocks may not stop these guys though, since they can walk past them through the woods.

    I don’t think most people will actually head for the hills at any point. They believe so strongly in the life they lead in the city that they will not leave until their food supply has run out, in which case it’s already too late.

    I actually think that the trend we’ve had over the last decades of people moving towards cities will accellerate prior to an all out food shortage. The reason is that businesses are in general least profitable on the countryside and they’ll go bankrupt first. So people will amass around the cities in slums looking for whatever work they can get. People have mortgages and a dreams of a life of consumption and can’t just bugger off.

    However, if people don’t behave this way and you live in a reasonably rugged landscape, I would consider destroying bridges and blocking mountain passes. As survival acres says, any key points, where they can’t easily pass around.

    I wouldn’t worry about the wildlife, unless the situation lasts for several years, no species will be extinct in an area. Regardlessly how good a trapper or hunter you are, you’ll always leave a few behind. It’s only if these people are allowed to settle and survive off things they grow as well, that’s when problems start for the wildlife. Because then the humans have something to feed off in between those once in a blue moon kills they do in the woods.

    Six months of overpopulation in the woods will only leave a bunch of dead people.

    Of course, these dying people may be dangerous and they will remove a substantial portion of what you eat. But of course, if you are the best hunter and know of all of the local alternatives (plants, insects, fish etc…) too, then your chances are that you may live to see the wildlife stocks rebuild.

  • December 3, 2008 at 9:41 am
    One of the best scenarios of this is the show “Jericho”, in my opinion only. But it does have a few valid points. None the less, short of a massive nuclear or biological strike or false flag on the US, when TSHTF, people will be spreading out like locusts on the land. Our Armed forces will try to control the situation as long as they can, but it wont take them long to be overwhelmed. No matter how well trained and armed 5 million troops are, short of using nukes on us, they will be no match against 200 million starving, desperate, and heavily armed civilians. And I am not talking zombies, as much as I would prefer them to be. Most of the organized gangs in the US have sent people into the army to get training, then they get out and start training the gang members on what they learned. Even so, someone w/o training and has a starving son or daughter and wife will be pretty dangerous in his own right. Now, multiply that by a couple hundred million. The national guard and army took a couple days to put down the Rodney King riots in LA, and that was just a small percentage of the city rioting, now imagine the whole city of 14 million rioting, then imagine every city in the country rioting, because it will happen, just as soon as the food runs out at Safeway. Then in a couple of days, people (the survivors) will be out and about killing everything that moves because they are going to be hungry. Cannibalism in rampant in Africa right now because of resource depletion. It is not just the “Dark Ages” where people ate each other. The new Dark Ages which is approaching rapidly will be much worse, if for no other reason then there are much more people. And with famine comes disease.
  • December 3, 2008 at 10:39 am

    I suspect people will go where the food and water is first. This is other human habitats (for now), then the woods, deeper and deeper until they’ve run out of steam, strength, health, ammo or food sources, then they’ll eat each other.

    Water will also be a huge factor, see below.

    I’ve never seen (or heard of) the show Jericho, but history has shown the the human populations have caused all kinds of extinctions of wildlife. It’s the real reason why many species are not here today, “we did it”.

    Essentially, they ate their way through many of them. I can easily envision that we will do this again in collapse. I suspect only remote regions will still retain any big game, which is not as resilient (slower breeding) as small game.

    Starvation is already happening in developed countries. The lack of water in Zimbabwe for example is causing serious problems (riots and over 11,000 cases of cholera). You don’t hear about this here of course.

  • December 3, 2008 at 12:03 pm
    Animals have become dependent on our management, preditors will get out of control. People may not have hunting skills but will be shooting and wounding animals that will run off and die elsewhere. Most people should not be allowed to have matches let alone guns, they will be burning down everything. The first thing city survivalists learn to do is build fire. The military has a strategy now to multiply its force, they organize militia to serve them and your group will either be one of them or doing battle with them and they will be backed up with air support and given better arms. There are a small number of people that have been preparing in all aspects of survival for years and will be well trained and situated. Movement to new areas must be done very cautiously. Bugging out should be done on foot and travel very light to be able to avoid all roads and even trails. It is should not be your first choice but one of the many situations to prepare for.
  • December 3, 2008 at 5:08 pm
    Since you mentioned Zimbabwe admin please allow me to share words from my friend in Australia. She is from Australia however her husband is Rhodesian/Zimbabwean.

    Her words: When Mugabe came to power Zimbabwe was the bread basket of Africa. Zimbabwe was the crown jewel of Africa. Zimbabwe had thriving light and heavy industries; a thriving rural sector; universal health and education for all; excellent water and sanitation; she exported food, she had a vibrant economy and well fed, housed, working population.

    There is now nothing left. Mugabe and his cronies are now so rich, that I doubt that they would be able to spend all the money that they have in one life time. They have stripped Zimbabwe to the bone. It took generations to make Rhodesia/Zimbabwe into the bread basket of Africa, it will take generations to turn her back into the Jewel that she was.

    Mugabe has taken Zimbabwe from the bread basket of Africa and turned it into a crumb.

    I hope Mugabe feels proud of his accomplishments!

    End …..

  • December 4, 2008 at 3:39 am
    I suspect the scenario torjusg paints is the mostly likely–and likely to last for some time.

    Urban and suburban people will be very reluctant to leave the cities. Those who do leave early will be the ones with rural friends and relatives. The others will probably move outward from the cities only gradually–urbanites are likely to initially seek refuge from rising violence in the suburbs. Violence in the cities will arrive far ahead of famine. Cities and suburbs are likely to steal form each other for as long as possible.

    Rural areas are kind of a terra incognita to most urbanites and suburbanites. Most of them have an ingrained perception that there is far less to sustain life in the countryside than in the cities.

    They see rural areas as vast empty expanses–or, in other words, places where there are few stores where you can buy stuff. Most such people would choose almost any alternative in preference to moving out into the countryside. Most wouldn’t recognize field corn or soybeans as food–let alone have even a basic knowledge of hunting and foraging.

    Those who do arrive from the cities will be mostly friends and relatives seeking asylum.

    I also suspect that government will step in and make nonsense of all our predictions. Forced labor of some kind may be offered to the desperate. I’m thinking agricultural work camps. And rural people should be concerned about the confiscation of crops, cattle, and land to feed the cities.

  • December 4, 2008 at 10:08 am

    Have you ever seen the hordes of “hunters” pouring into the forests on opening day, all decked out in 4×4’s and bright orange? I’m talking millions of hunters hitting the woods now.

    I have. Every year. These guys may not be willing to leave their families in collapse, but I can easily envision “foraging parties” being formed to try and bring back the bacon to their hungry families.

    They will still succeed in wiping out most of the accessible game populations, which will eventually recover, no doubt, after the die-off of millions. But the wipe-out of the game populations is pretty much a given. Anything on four legs will be eaten.

    We’re very well equipped to do this right now (heavily armed, probably more so then most countries in the world).

    Add in the real need to eat instead of the desire to hunt and you’ve got a huge environmental catastrophe on your hands with tens of millions of ravenous mouths hitting the woods. They’ll strip it bare.

    Poaching is way, way up already, as hungry (and greedy poachers for profit) are wiping out deer all over the country. I don’t have this link handy, but the rates are up dramatically due to the financial crisis.

    I’ve no doubt the animals will make a come-back, as they eventually move back in from remote areas and the human population dies out, but the impacts of extreme hunting / foraging will be felt for a fairly long time. The “doe kills” that have been experimented with in this country are examples of how this can affect the game populations for a time.

    Much of the real damage will be done by the locals themselves of course. We’re already better equipped to do this then the city slickers anyway. We know where the game is, where the water is and where the trails are.

    Rural people are really not that much better prepared for collapse then city people by the way. Their sole advantage is living where there are fewer mouths to feed, having access to raw essential resources (land, water, wood). But this doesn’t qualify them as survivors, not at all.

    They do tend to be more independent and self-sufficient, but it’s surprising how few really know what this means. Many are as stuck on the oil-teat as anyone else. Daily trips to the supermarket. No garden. Commuting miles and miles to work (in the populated areas of course). Still needing the county snowplows to clear their roads for them.

    Turn off the lights, jobs, banks, food or what have you and they’ll starve quickly, but not before they hit the woods themselves. They will in fact, beat everyone else to it.

    It is the farmers, ranchers, survivalists, hermits, hobbyist, gardeners and self-sufficient “artists” (living the life) that are the ones who are most prepared. They’re the survivors of the future and the primitivist like Torjus who will disappear in the yonder and never be seen again.

    All we see are the hungry mouths to come and wonder what in hell everyone is going to do when it all falls apart.

    By the way, recall that rural rancher with his herd of cows… how is he going to repel those armed “hunters” who see steak on the hoof? This is a giant problem developing that can only be dealt with by refusing their access (if even possible). Envision pitched battled and armed clashes as hunger wins out over everything.

    Where is this all going to lead? What is everyone actually going to do?

    Starve, that’s what. It’s not hard to figure this out. But they’ll eat their way right down the food chain and through every fence, every wall, every obstacle in their way before that happens.

    The Ukraine lost 20 million people, we’ll lose at least that many. We’ve already got 31.5 million on food stamps now.

  • December 4, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    From a reader who writes:

    Dear Admin:

    Thanks for the wisdom you share with us. I hope I can contribute a bit now to your essay on road blocks.

    Pits can also work well in breaking vehicles or legs. A good place for an anti-car pit is the reverse slope of a slight rise where drivers go fast. If a pit can’t be made deep enough to cause breakage, then they can be lined with spikes to impale tires or feet.

    Wikipedia has more info and such: has a lot of pictures (take a look especially of the Angolan pictures) and information on landmines which can be adapted to keep out refugees. Supposedly it is not so hard to create improvised land mines.

    Here is a story of criminals using an improvised spike strip:

    Putting “official” looking warning signs at likely approaches may slow those refugees down and channel their movements and cause them extra stress. It certainly worked on me; a long while ago when I lived in Taiwan, I took a stroll in the woods in my new neighborhood one evening. I saw an unlit sign in a clearing, and so I went over to read it. The grass had grown tall in front of it, blocking its message. I flattened the grass with a nearby garbage tire. The sign was a warning that everyone should not enter the clearing because it is part of the rifle range for the army! It certainly cause my heart to leap and give me a few seconds of the concentrated stress.

    Another possibility would be to be to deploy a lot of fake trip wires to cause them stress and slow their movement. Another would be to put skeletalized bodies on likely approaches where they can be seen and making those bodies appear to have been vicitims of land mines or booby-traps.

    To me to do this business of road blocks, etc. right requires studying the area and resources available to be used and then using ingenuity to create the objects needed to carry it out.

  • December 5, 2008 at 7:27 am
    Those thinking about “bugging out” and surviving by hunting are going to be severely disappointed in their plans. Wildlife populations will be overrun very quickly. Extinction within a few years is a very real possibility – not only for wildlife but for humans too. One should understand that if collapse happens quickly, we will not have time to adjust. We will only have what we have – and for most that will be next to nothing. Imagine floods or deserts occuring overnight – droughts where nothing grows. This is what we’re facing. Even the most committed survivalist may not be able to hold out facing a part of the land with no water. Wildlife certainly won’t hang around.
  • December 5, 2008 at 8:54 am
    I think that during collapse we will be reverting back to the origins of civilization. We may have started out as hunter/gatherers but as populations grew we had to turn to agriculture to feed ourselves. When others came to take the fruits of our labours we created community defence to repel the raiders, eventually creating walled cities.

    To deal with raiders and hoardes you don’t need to create a perfect fortress but you do need to make it more trouble than its worth. I’d rather have a bunch of ditches covered by observation and fire with a bunch of “soft” neighbours than be the only show in town with a 10 foot wall.

    As for depletion of wildlife, most African and Asian nations with high populations densities and poverty have no great amount of wildlife. Wildlife conservation is a luxury that only the rich can afford. Wildlife during the wars in what was Yugoslavia was hit very hard. I doubt it has recovered much. The only safe wildlife in North America is that which is too remote to get to. Alaskans and those in Canada who can get into remote areas north of 55 degrees should be okay but everyone else is going to have a hard time if they plan on living on wildlife.

  • December 7, 2008 at 9:19 am
    Very good article. I live in a rural and already we are seeing people sell what they have and move to the country thinking if they buy 3-5 acre tracts with a house, they’ll be independant. It usually doesn’t work and actually bursts up farms that could grow and do trade with cities. Right now however is not the time to begin to learn, I figure by no later than Feb. it will go boom.

    What people don’t seem to grasp is that most rural people are just as dependant upon stores these days. Even my wife and I make weekly trips, and we’re some of the only ones that do grow most of what we need. The closest many rural people come to a cow is the grocery store. Baring electricity, my family can come off the easy of today’s living any time, but I’d be willing to be that out of a town of 25K, maybe 200 (high estimate) could. But the good and bad is that most of us are armed to the teeth. I say good and bad because the rest of those that can’t are as well, and with fewer stores in rural areas, it will be a boiling pot. Both sides will know the land but the ones that are prepared are out numbered.

    Growing a garden and farming when food is ample, if it fails, no big deal. In a time like is probably coming, failure will be life threatening. Soils change as well. The climate, soil, growing season varies- sometimes even in the same state. Many farmers have become dependant upon fertilizers, this year, 1 ton is at 1200.00. Many seeds sold these days must have a peticular fertilizer to produce properly.

    People form alliances with where they live, and people from cities know how to live there. Most of us that are from and still are rural do not bond well with strangers in good times, let alone bad. Even those that “fit in” will always be the new people. Rural people would not know how to live in the city.

    One board I go to a guy mentioned that farmers would need his engineering skills therefore landing himself a welcomed squatter’s right. He apparently don’t know real farmers. Most of are quite capable of designing our own houses, barns, fixing tractors, cars, electronics, etc. We have little need for engineers.

    Like most that have prepared, we will not say here, I’ll feed you and chance my family and friends starving. Neither would we set back and watch our hard labor be taken without a fight. The rural stores I would say population verses stores, about a day will empty them.

    On foot, after the cars, there is always traps. The roaming from place to place and living off the land is a deadly dream. Most would not even have a clue how to grow or gut anything.

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