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Good morning!  I watched the two youtubes (about immigration with the gumballs) and I hope you will reconsider the implicit endorsement by embedding them.

I don’t quibble with the numbers, but I think the underlying premise is slanted.  Everyone on earth is linked now, we are all on the Titanic together.  The smug presentation about the multiplying Asians and Mexicans leaves out a couple of crucial points:

1.  Americans are exploiting the labor of those people who earn less than $2/day by importing cheap goods and exporting garbage to 3rd world countries; and

2.  Americans have grotesquely disproportionate impacts on earth in terms of CO2 footprint and pollution.  Maybe we should, as a society, reduce our consumption and waste instead of pointing the finger at immigration policy as a primary source of our impending doom.

Of course, it’s your blog to include whatever you like – and in general I find everything you have written to be fair and enlightening, so thank you.

Regards,
Gail

Hi,

I support immigration, and would be an immigrant myself (going elsewhere) if I could.  But it is clear that immigration policy in this country does not work. There is no point in ignoring the numbers, the meaning of the message in the gumballs.  This is true in most parts of the world and could be applied to nearly every country, not just us.

The exploitation of labor by American industries is not going to change and is not a “cause and effect” of immigration; it is predatory capitalism and would continue unabated whatever immigration policies actually are.

Your second point by the way actually means that immigrants would then become like us, more wasteful consumers with larger footprints after adopting the American lifestyle. Not sure how you see this as having any relevancy to immigration reform, it would actually be self-defeating in terms of living lightly.

My entire point on posting the videos was population, a point I’d brought up earlier in the article.  Immigration is but a small part of this problem. Too many people, and too many births, period.  We can never support the numbers, whether immigrants or natural citizens, it makes no difference.

We are linked, but who is causing the real issues? I see this as “very American” and always have.  We’re in good company, not alone.  We’re the driving force behind much of what is going wrong. We throw our weight around and demand the lions share (and then some), exclusive rights to the world’s resources with nary a care on how we get them.  The notion of “equality” in this country (and even to immigrants) is a sick, sad joke, one that is clearly unequal as hell.

There is absolutely no doubt we are attempting to preserve and protect this resource / living standard exclusivity for ourselves, and this is where immigration is a double-edged sword. Let’s not let anyone “in” so we can have more for ourselves, is one argument. The other argument, the one that I saw in the gumballs was that if immigration is left unchecked, it will overwhelm this country, virtually consuming our failing institutions and thereby everyone, immigrants included, that try to live here.

Fixing the problem(s) where “we live” (where they live, all of us, each country) is indeed the answer and always was. There is simply no way you can pour salt into a saucepan and not expect to season the entire thing (good or bad).  Immigration does nothing to fix the problems immigrants left behind (including their own population issues, economic problems, etc.). That is the message that guy was trying to convey.

I’d like to see a world without borders and “nations”, because this is just a means to allocate control over people and resources, and gives rise to endless wars and “us” versus “them” type of thinking (and living).  But that is a total pipe dream under predatory capitalism, which thrives on competition and control (and exploitation).  This is the root cause of our problems, permeating our every institution and even our way of thinking.

~Survival Acres~

Thanks for your reply!  I know we basically agree, and all the points you made are valid.  I’m just saying, consider the source.  I looked up the speaker in the videos, and the links he has to white supremacists are deep and longstanding, and are documented in many articles, such as this one:

“…the anti-immigrant movement is still firmly rooted in white nationalism.”

http://imagine2050.newcomm.org/2010/06/25/roy-beck-visits-mentor-john-tanton/

I don’t think allowing mass immigration to the US will solve anything and I don’t advocate it.  But it just disturbs me that people like Beck who fight reform for illegal workers have a not-so-hidden agenda, which is racist in origin, and exclusionary in practice.

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Thanks to Gail, I’ve updated the video links below to include the mentor connection with Beck. Might be the reason I noticed in the videos the faces of some of the audience expressing their distaste.

My point in posting the videos was population. I thought the gumballs were also effective in driving this message across.  Humans need to start restricting births and lowering population numbers (because the alternative is ultimately more war).

Immigration IS highly problematic, but not (imo) our primary doom. We’ve already seen to that (the Anthropocene) I’m afraid.  Unless we “fix ourselves” then we’re simply addressing related, but not primary issues.

It also makes sense to fix the problems where their at.  Deforestation for example, in the Amazon, is a global problem, but driven largely by regional economic oppression. Most of us would do no different in reality if we lived there — we have to eat and raise our families, same as they do, and would do whatever was required to do so.

Immigration is a global problem and not uniquely American, and the solution (if there is one) is to fix the regional issues.  But world population is the elephant in the room.  I hold no hope however that anything will be done on either immigration or regional problems or population (except die-off, sure to happen now that we are losing our food crops all over the world). The lip-service that I’ve long documented and decry hasn’t changed anything.  It’s always just more of the same, and getting worse.

Gail’s point is well-taken.  The messenger isn’t always one we would like. This could be applied to everyone, so we need to look at the message and carefully separate all the other agenda’s and intentions these messengers might be bringing.

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