Open Thread

I don’t have much to say, the banking failures are just the tip of the iceberg, signs of a civilization gone terribly wrong. More of these to come, that’s for sure.

The government proposed bailout of the mortgage lenders is ‘weird’ in my opinion, a real Catch-22 situation. The collapse continues, dominoes fall, all you can do is get out of their way (if possible).

I’m pretty sure the loss of the zooplankton has failed to generate the global alarm this truly signifies. I find this very strange too, because this is extremely serious for all life on Earth. Whatever future humans may have, will be dramatically diminished if we have no oceans to rely upon.

Jason Miller in a fine rant on American capitalism:

And we “comfort ourselves” by wallowing in the fetid sewage that flows freely from our idiot boxes, enslaving our minds to the Bernays-inspired propaganda that ensures our fealty to a system that is murdering the planet and rotting our souls. Reality television provides us with the twisted wreckage and bloody corpses of a horrific car wreck, piquing our morbid curiosity and distracting us from the prick of conscience or any thought of doing something really stupid, like perhaps ending our rape of the Earth. Kens and Barbies, “sage” analysts, establishmentized minorities, and “populists” pulling down six figures or better (all of whom enunciate, dress, and smile to sickeningly unnatural perfection, mind you), deliver the “news” and affirm the “rightness of our Whiteness.” Television is truly a balm to our diseased souls. Murdering God: Of Shotguns, American Capitalism, and Moral Expediency

And on that same theme are my own dark thoughts. I’ve been thinking about this for weeks now. Global emergency bells are clanging away on many, many critical issues all over the world as the dominoes topple left and right.

An intelligent ‘dominant’ species would adequately respond to these global emergencies in some fashion or another, before it was too late, but such is not going to happen among the vast majority of homo sapiens, who remain as fixated as ever on ‘a dream‘ of vaporizing reality.


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14 thoughts on “Open Thread

  • July 15, 2008 at 3:59 am

    The collapse is happening now, right now, and there is no time. We have passed so many biological, economic, resource and societal tipping points. It is unfolding so fast.

    I have seen this coming for 30 years, but still it unsettles me. It is an out of body experience, the one created when wishes and hope crash into reality with finality. You enter an empty space and despair surrounds you.

    The stunning thing is still that virtually no one is noticing. To quote Sam Elliot “Darkness fell over the land like a black steer’s tuckus on moonless desert night”.

    We have been working furiously for months, but don’t feel prepared. There is this unsettling understanding that we are preparing at the margins, but it won’t work in any durable way. Still we persist, probably because at some deep level humans look forward and imagine evading doom in spite of the evidence. My happy talk is unspoken, a wandering rogue Jimminy Cricket I can’t seem to stomp. I fantasize about backing up into a verdant world of butterflies, wild flowers, and a sufficient garden, without a care or need.

    This irrational optimism is a source of fascination. It reminds me of a quote I read once from a dying man. On his death bed he said “I always imagined this might happen, but I hoped in my case God would make an exception”.

    We are hoping for an exception to all the tipping points, and the madness of an emerging police state. At a very deep and basic level, we must recognize there will be no exceptions. The only thing we can muster is our human capacity for grace, a figment of our inner life, the one thing we can control if we work at it. We cannot control it, but we can control how we think about it. Acceptance and grace.

    For all of our certainty that this is the last dance, dance we must until the silence falls over us. We are given these moments, and promised no others. The moments remain as precious as before.

    Carpe Diem


  • July 15, 2008 at 4:33 am

    There is time enough left for a last dance in the grand ballroom as the musicians play on, or a last game of cards and glass of fine cognac in the first class lounge. Deep in the bowels of the ship can be heard thunderous groans as bulkheads give way to the inexorable force of the icy water, punctuated by the crack and tinkle of shattering glass…..

  • July 15, 2008 at 8:46 am

    Event Horizon
    ~ //

    “Every tattoo freak out there who has been prepping for his own starring role in some kind of comic book armageddon will finally get his chance to shine.”

    Bam, Sock, Pow, Wham, … Swish, Whoosh, Slurp, Gurgle, Gurgle

  • July 15, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    This will happen eventually: No more home births…

    GOV/CORP CONTROL! and I admit that my generation has allow it to happen as much as the others… No matter the speeches,letters,blogs protests,etc… it has not been enough (Or I should say hasn’t been strong enough) and now we pay, and pay dearly and so will our children and if they last their children

  • July 15, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    Prisoner, I just can’t agree that banning home births is going to happen. I think that our current ‘health’ care [sic] system is going to fail very soon, and only the elite will even have access to hospitals.

  • July 15, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    Fernwise – Ah, there’s the kicker the group/groups that want to stop home births do not see things the same as you or others here. For them it’s status quo and more control is needed over the masses….

    Just amazes me that for centurys babies have been popping out in cabs,castles,fields,porches,alleys,etc and now all of a sudden women are to stupid to do it outside a hospital…

  • July 15, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    I feel as dark as the next person. But I truly believe that the run-up in prices, while distributing pain unequally across the economic spectrum, and as Admin points out, from country to country (with poorer countries bearing the brunt), will slow global warming.

    Do I believe we can somehow get out of the proverbial woods? Not on gas prices alone, no. Our problems are far more serious, affecting as Admin points out, our food supply, ocean and all life on the planet. But I believe it is a start after 30 years of burying our head in the sand.

    Already their are huge changes in consumer habits that must be acknowledged. Just today I was reading that new car buyers are demanding cars that get a minimum of 40 mph (very few car models exist that get this kind of mileage). In addition, people are parking their large SUVs and pickups. And with the economic layoffs, less economic activity automatically translates into less greenhouse gas and global warming.

    None of this will be easy. Unfortunately, the utlimate question is will Americans (and I largely blame America for the ills of the world) learn that our lifestyles need to be seriously reexamined. And hopefully they’ll see through the corporate media solution of drilling offshore, although I’m not optimistic about this too.

    My tribe is working on gardening. We have tomatoes, peas, peppers, blueberries, blackberries and other odds and ends producing this year. Next year I’m adding chard, bok choy, carrots, and other items to the mix. We are also supporting local farmers and participating actively in sustainable practices.

    As the song by Chumbawumba goes, “there are millions think just like me.” We are not alone folks. And this forum continuously inspires, despite the gathering gloom!

    Thanks again Admin for raising the flag of awareness for all to see!

  • July 15, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    I don’t know about where all you live but around here there is a dramatic increase in motorcyles and not your Hells Angel type either. Only problem with them is awful cold ridin’ in winter…

  • July 15, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    Lot of cycles on the roads here too. With resulting deaths. Just today a major intersection was closed in Lawrence due to a collusion between a motorcycle and a semi. Doesn’t sound pretty.

  • July 15, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    logarithmic – You’re familiar with the theory that industrial / consumptive civilization is actually slowing global warming now? Due to the increased reflection of the solar energy hitting the earth?

    Slowing down our civilization may actually have the opposite effect of what you hope for, global warming is thought by some to actually increase when this happens.

    This is one reason why I’m very pessimistic about global warming, I believe it’s already much too later, and we’ve yet to see the real effects already set in motion. Both the Antarctic and Arctic are in serious meltdown, plenty of links on this site pointing to that. The lowered albedo from this alone is going to be enough to pretty much cook our goose (imo).

  • July 15, 2008 at 6:25 pm


    Yes I’m familiar with the theory. But do you believe its either one way or the other? That is, either slowing our consumptive civilization either will increase or decrease global warming. It certainly can’t do both. I tend to believe its better to slow consumptive civilization for a number of reasons.

    First, most scientists believe that global warming is caused by burning greenhouse gasses and that this must be reduced to restore our climates.

    Second, as you’ve posted, we need to slow things down as all of our fuels and minerals are in short supply and will be exhausted without such slowing.

    Third, reducing our consumption due to high energy costs may help restore some of the oceans. Already trawlers and other fishing fleets have been derailed due to the high cost of energy.

    Fourth, we will have time to learn the essential skills that are necessary to live in a post-industrial post consumptive society. Canning, gardening, hunting, and doing things by hand must be re-learned.

    Fifth, we may have time to develop renewable technologies such as wind and solar that could provide a substantial life raft for humans (not to say that we don’t deserve to die like the species we exterminate almost daily, but many humans are like children – they have no idea what they are doing – I’ve been this way for so long – and it is this website that has helped me overcome my great slumber).

    For all of these reasons, we need to slow our economy and consumption. At least that’s how I see it.

  • July 15, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    As far as slowing down and burning less greenhouse gasses, there is the problem of global dimming. In other words, all the particulate matter that is being pumped into the atmosphere is actually blocking some of the suns rays. Once this artificial shield goes away, the planet’s temp. is going to go up big time. I recommend getting a copy of this DVD from PBS called “Dimming the Sun.”

    We’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t, to use that old saw.

  • July 16, 2008 at 7:46 am

    For the 3rd time this year, my computer has spent of week of quality time being repaired. All hail Technology, our Savior!

    So, I’ve been harvesting and planting here. Grape leaves and raspberries harvested, along with some beans and onion. Uprooted the finished broccoli to give the tomatoes more room. Started seeds for celery, fall cabbage/turnips/swedes.

    My white potatoes, which folks have said are a cool weather crop, have suddenly started growing like wildfire instead of dying down for harvest. Dunno what’s up with that. Sweet potatoes have finally taken over their patch.

    Spinach, beans, and turnips that are for next years seeds are, well, seedy.

    Husband has started taking walks to stop being a total software geek.

    I dunno if this is progress, but at least we’re not going backwards as fast as before.

  • July 16, 2008 at 8:14 am

    While particulate pollution (from industrial process, diesel exhaust, etc) does tend to lower absorption of solar radiation, basically mimicking a volcanic eruption, it creates more problems than it solves. I cannot see the overall trend away from this to be more harmful, rather than less so overall. Logarithmic has solid points in terms of what will be needed, any motion in this direction is a step in the right direction.
    For instance, I saw the news concerning the Japanese fishing fleet being on strike yesterday, unable to operate profitably in a time of high fuel costs and dwindling fish populations. So fish prices rise, and maybe the decimated fish populations get a tiny reprieve. +1.

    Lots more motorcycles on the road here locally, as well as old beater small cars being pulled out and run again (Geo’s, Datsuns, old Civics and Corollas, etc).
    Scooter sales are brisk, big trucks and SUV’s have thousands in cash on the hoods and no takers, can’t even trade your old one in (no tradein value, or they simply won’t take it).

    My electric provider has decided to be generous and “allow” me to install PV on my house. How magnanimous of them. Seems I am the very FIRST residential PV customer in their service area (6 counties, roughly 500,000 people), leading to much consternation and confabulation.
    The vice president of the company called me yesterday to inquire why I would pay 30+ cents per kw/h for PV electric when I can get it from them at 8.1 cents per kw/h?

    My garden was an unmitigated failure this year, with most everything dying from 2.5 months of drought and/or intense heat, followed by severe downpours that knocked what little remained to the ground. Even my blueberry and raspberry bushed died….it’s just too hot down here for them, I guess, or the wrong soil (sandy). Only decent crop were the figs, I’ve got them coming out of my ears.

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