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  • March 28, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    … where else but from the den (demented mind) of Lonewolf. Created out out thin air in about 10 min. after reading your recent “Biohazard” reference.

  • March 28, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    … Humanoids are THE biohazard, either/both sexes, individually and collectively – ‘love or NO love (aka Tina’s lament, *what’s love got to do with it’).

    Caution: Bipeds Biohazard.

    Actually, since they’re/we’re one in the same, it’s therefore a redundant message (for emphasis).

  • March 28, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    Hey Lonewolf – do you hate humanoids, or just what we do (have done) to this planet? What do you see as our future function (if any, other than mass suicide) as related to species survival?

  • March 28, 2008 at 5:55 pm

    @ Sarge

    Not “hatred”



  • March 28, 2008 at 6:24 pm

    Thanks, Lonewolf, but you have not answered my question – I appreciate your aversion to us humanoids, but some of us may survive the coming crises – what do you think we survivors should focus on (other than staying alive) relative to the fact that some of us unworthy scumbags still exist?

  • March 28, 2008 at 6:45 pm

    Verily, I sayeth unto Thee,

    “If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you.”
    Nag Hammadi Code II.45.29-33 (aka Gospel of Thomas)

  • March 28, 2008 at 7:02 pm


    “what do you think we survivors should focus on (other than staying alive)”

    That’s easy: Focus on not making the same mistakes that got us to this point.


  • March 28, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    I rather liked the graphic. It reveals the toxic nature of humanity in symbolic form. As a sign greeting alien visitors, it certainly says a lot.

    But as a sign for existing humans, it’s not going to be well understood, because they still do not acknowledge the danger humans represent to the Earth and all of the species still alive (to say nothing of the one’s we’ve driven to extinction).

    We toxic to each other.

    Other ways to interpret:

    1) Sexually transmitted diseases ahead.
    2) Cojoined biohazard.
    3) Teen pregnancy hazard.
    4) Humanity = Biohazard.
    5) Ecocide Danger!

    Whatever. The problem with the graphic is it holds more truth then falsehood and it would never be popular as a result.

  • March 28, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    Warning: Human biohazard. Although I’m not an artist, I think a “humanoid” taking a big dump on planet earth might get the point across.

  • March 28, 2008 at 9:07 pm


    I just want to remind everyone that We: the Civilised, are NOT humanity.

    “Thereâ’s another problem, though, that trumps all of these others. It has to do with a characteristic of this civilization unshared even by other civilizations. It is the deeply and most-often-invisibly held beliefs that there is really only one way to live, and that we are the one-and-only possessors of that way. It becomes our job then to propagate this way, by force when necessary, until there are no other ways to be. Far from being a loss, the eradication of these other ways to be, these other cultures, is instead an actual gain, since Western Civilization is the only way worth being anyway: weâ’re doing ourselves a favor by getting rid of not only obstacles blocking our access to resources but reminders that other ways to be exist, allowing our fantasy to sidle that much closer to reality; and weâ’re doing the heathens a favor when we raise them from their degraded state to join the highest, most advanced, most developed state of society. If they donâ’t want to join us, simple: we kill them. Another way to say all of this is that something grimly alchemical happens when we combine the arrogance of the dictionary definition, which holds this civilization superior to all other cultural forms; hypermilitarism, which allows civilization to expand and exploit essentially at will; and a belief, held even by such powerful and relentless critics of civilization as Lewis Mumford, in the desirability of cosmopolitanism, that is, the transposability of discoveries, values, modes of thought, and so on over time and space. The twentieth-century name for that grimly alchemical transmutation is genocide: the eradication of cultural difference, its sacrifice on the altar of the one true way, on the altar of the centralization of perception, the conversion of a multiplicity of moralities all dependent on location and circumstance to one morality based on the precepts of the ever-expanding machine, the surrender of individual perception (as through writing and through the conversion of that and other arts to consumables) to predigested perceptions, ideas, and values imposed by external authorities who with all their hearts—or whatâ’s left of them—believe in, and who benefit by, the centralization of power. Ultimately, then, the story of this civilization is the story of the reduction of the worldâ’s tapestry of stories to only one story, the best story, the real story, the most advanced story, the most developed story, the story of the power and the glory that is Western Civilization.”

  • March 29, 2008 at 12:42 am

    Ah, Lonewolf, I remember breathing that pure Montana air and drinking that pure Montana water – ain’t nothin’ like the Big Sky country to “bring forth” bullshit.

  • March 29, 2008 at 7:04 am

    Well Sarge, that’s all true enough I suppose. But the “bullshit” we have ’round these here parts is the kind you could step in, not the kind that walks, talks and hacks on keyboards through the night (mostly). Local Bulls also have really big balls. It’s the same with forked-tongued venomous serpents here, too (except they also have no balls).

  • March 29, 2008 at 10:14 am

    @ lonewolf

    I read the book “The Gnostic Gospels” by Elaine Pagels many years ago. It’s an amazing read.

    Note: the nag hammadi scrolls were Christianity’s equivalent to the Dead Sea Scrolls – a clay pot containing many gospels that were excised from the Catholic Bible. The oldest of the non-canonical gospels is that of Thomas, often cited as the brother of Jesus.

    Although not a Christian myself, I’m interested in that period. The quote from the Thomas Gospel that makes my head spin is this one:

    “Jesus saw some infants at the breast. He said to his disciples: These little ones at the breast are like those who enter into the kingdom. They said to him: If we then be children, shall we enter the kingdom? Jesus said to them: When you make the two one, and when you make the inside as the outside, and the outside as the inside, and the upper side as the lower; and when you make the male and the female into a single one, that the male be not male and the female female; when you make eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then shall you enter [the kingdom].”

    The loggia were often cryptic, to put it mildly.

  • March 29, 2008 at 10:22 am

    This should be of interest. Long time gold bug admits that gold is not keeping up with inflation, and is quickly being outpaced by wheat:

    “My only hope is that gold goes up higher and faster than prices, but again my heart is stabbed by the cold, ugly fact that it ain’t a-gonna happen, as Noland adds, “March wheat surged 6.2% (up 31% y-t-d).” …

    …In short, things now cost roughly 10 times or so what they did 48 years ago, which comes out to about 5% inflation per year.

    The funny part was, if you are the sort of person who thinks that monetary insanity and the economic calamities it creates is funny, that the national debt was only $286.3 billion in 1960, and now it is $9,300 trillion, which is not a comparable 10 times higher, but 32 times higher! Hahaha! We’re freaking doomed!”

    This guy is Peak Oil aware, and no dummy.

  • March 29, 2008 at 10:46 am

    @ dermot

    Thomas attributed every ‘saying’ he allegedly wrote down to the (alleged historical) ‘Jesus’. Basically, the overarching assertion of Thomas is that ‘Jesus’ (aka Horus) attempted to teach that the ‘god-head’ ‘lies’ within – not without (external). Aka, we are gods. “Bring forth what is within” meant reveal/manifest god in one’s life – else be (self) destroyed. So it was written. So shall it be.

  • March 29, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    Sorry if I hurt your tender little feelings, Lonewolf. I guess some people lack a sense of humor and are easily offended. Enjoy your big balls.

  • March 29, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    Ever wonder if there were naysayers and wannabe holdouts at the time that tribal life was being exchanged for agriculture and the beginnings of civilization? It surely seems that, perhaps 10-12,000 years ago some tribal cultures were observing the shift and saw many more downsides, than advantages, to the emergence of agriculture. I get the feeling that many who post here have always felt the tug toward a more primitive/natural/native type existence, even in those of us who spent years in academia, industry, business, etc.

    One of the “convincers” for me was reading Rachel Carson’s SILENT SPRING, as a teenager, incidentally one of the first books I bought with my own money. But even before that there seemed to be something alien about “progress”.

    Oh well, we’ll get accustomed to the non-money-based system soon enough.

  • March 29, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    The Native American strongly resisted the coming whiteman — everywhere from what I read. They didn’t realize at first that they were going to be wiped out, but when they did, war broke out.

    Just finished reading a story of Lewis & Clark. Hard to believe that only 200 years ago there were “wild men” living in freedom all over this country.

  • March 29, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    Yeah…but the inversion to civilisation took a long time. Koetke does a good job with explaining the process, I think. It’s also possible that agriculture arose because of great disaster befalling the community…

    Today, however:
    “Premise Two: Traditional communities do not often voluntarily give up or sell the resources on which their communities are based until their communities have been destroyed. They also do not willingly allow their landbases to be damaged so that other resources—gold, oil, and so on—can be extracted. It follows that those who want the resources will do what they can to destroy traditional communities.”


  • March 29, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    When you make the two one: the soul and the mind
    When you make eyes in the place of an eye: eyes=two human eyes, eye=third eye within

    Basically: when one can consolidate all their outside energy to the inner you will enter the “kingdom of heaven” while in the body.

    lonewolf: Jesus was the man. Christ was the inner divine essence. He was a Saint however, His mission is over and he’s not coming back. That’s not to say we’ve been forgotten or abandoned, we haven’t.

  • March 30, 2008 at 9:03 am

    @ all

    Admin is now sitting at home/office waiting with impending dread for Lonewolf’s grossly inflammatory ranting anti-voodoo crusade – which isn’t going to happen here today. So, Admin, take time to enjoy the day.

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