Open Thread

Several of you have sent in some cool links, you can post your finds here too.  Hint: leave off the http:// on your links and they’ll show up without my approval.
Lonewolf sent me this link from the Natural Hippie site, someplace I’ve never heard of — A TimeLine Of Humanity

Read through it (it won’t take long) before going any further. I want you to read the conclusions the author comes to before reading my own.

Ok then.  We certaintly won’t make it until 2025 for the collapse he predicts, “The realization we are not exempt from the laws of nature will very likely mean the total collapse of our culture.

From everything I’ve seen, scientists and researchers are constantly updating their assessments, moving them up rather dramatically. We probably have less then five years from today for this to occur.

Unfortunately, he did not mention genocide either.  Or the fascist police-state. But giving his time lines, these are but irritating little blips in human history. I mention them because they are going to be critically important to us.

I think his scenario #2 is much more likely then #1.  And scenario #5 is pure wishful thinking from fantasy land, but interesting to ponder nonetheless.  Our energy supplies would never permit this unless we developed matter conversion, and that would be terrible indeed, because we would then proceed to do exactly what he predicts — ruin everything.


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10 thoughts on “Open Thread

  • March 21, 2008 at 10:59 am


    We (humans) have already “ruined everything” – albeit that the vast majority of ‘civilized man’ has no concept whatever of what everything is in the first or what the decline/absence of same portends. Name one ‘thing’ that manunkind has not ruined. (Alleged) sapient bipeds are (were) an evolutionary anomaly – aka mistake. An error that soon will be (is being) ‘corrected’. We currently exist on the very cusp of a wave – both proverbial and literal. One that has already crested although few choose to look (see). This wave developed from 10 millennia of collective/combined human experience. It now rises into a infinite-wavelength and powerfully purging tsunami as the exponentially energetic mass approaches the temporal shoreline of man’s reign (destruction) over (not on) Earth. Life’s a beach – about to be inundated by the crush of reality. The tide of time shall crush the densest of rock (us) unto dust and every anthropomorphic (in)significance into temporal oblivion.

    Surf’s up – and it’s gonna be one HELL of a ride, while it lasts.

    No one will (survive to ) “remember us” and what we’ve never learned (individually, or as a species). As a species, we never ‘got past’ “what’s mine is mine and what’s yours is mine” mentality, the principle version of which being the “my fractured fairy-tale imaginary ‘god’ will (must) destroy your fractured fairy-tale imaginary ‘god” mentality (insanity). And we never will (learn, grow, survive) because we don’t not want to despite every inconceivable asserted machination to the contrary.

  • March 21, 2008 at 11:31 am

    Yeah, Lonewolf is correct in that humans have ruined everything. Try to find a creek or river, even the tiniest of streams, from which you can drink without ingesting mercury, E. Coli, dioxins, flame retardants, and an endless list of human creations, inventions, wastes, and more. Ain’t we smart?
    Maybe #2 or #3 is remotely possible, but IMO only cultures such as Kalihari, Kogi, and other tribal groups have a fighting chance at survival. As William Kotke says in his THE FINAL EMPIRE, “the wealth of tribal cultures is non-material”.

    How did we get from “there” to “here”?

  • March 21, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    Lynda – We most certainly DON’T. There is zero possibility we are going to avoid a severe crash now. We squandered the only opportunity we had about 25 years ago.

    But maybe I misunderstood your question. We go from party-like-there-is-no-tomorrow (because there isn’t) to fighting-and-dying-in-the-streets in about, oh, 2 or 3 years maybe?

    I’m feeling very pessimistic I’m afraid, because I have not seen anything to make me think otherwise.

    Wait — I know I misunderstood your question, must be the drugs I’m taking.

    From “there” we learned that we could gain control over other people to do things for us and thereby make them our slaves, and exploit their resources for our advantage and gain (but not theirs), and we did this long enough that we eventually arrived “here” after destroying most parts of the Earth in the process that kept us all alive, never considering or counting the terrible cost to humanity and all life on Earth or the the very real possibility that we would extinguish all life on Earth in the process.

    I really like that quote you shared, “the wealth of tribal cultures is non-material”.

  • March 21, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    along these same lines of inquiry – and speaking of quotes – here is an excerpt from the gospel according to St. Deek of the Huge Testiclement:

    “… history is a listing of people doing the unthinkable [to the planet as well as to each other], the future will be no different.” – until there is no future at all.

  • March 21, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    Right on queue. Predicted last September in “The Northwest Passage” entry — A massive immigration problem will develop in Canada and even the Northwest Territories

    But it never occurred to me that it would be Mexicans! I guess somebody had to be first. I know a lot of AWOL soldiers went up there and applied for asylum (nobody has been granted that though).

    Another ‘prediction’ I posted in that same blog entry — The race for Arctic resources and claims will bring conflict and war proving true — Massive Reserves At Stake In Artic Oil Claim.

    In fact, every single point in that entry is proving true. This stuff is easy to spot. Everything is connected to everything else, push one domino and they all fall down.

    Special note to everyone: The news is still dramatically behind the actual “events” we have been watching. They’ve yet to “tell it like it is” because they either refuse to see the whole picture or just can’t.

  • March 22, 2008 at 11:02 am

    RE: “The Folly of Turning Water Into Fuel”

    Talk ’bout CRIMINAL Enterprise, NTM mass depravity, insanity and suffering.

    HMM, let’s see now:
    Ethanol from irrigated corn has yield of “less than 1 teaspoon” of ethanol per each gallon water consumed just in growing the corn (ntm processing, fuels, nutrients).

    How much ethanol are they ‘planning’ on producing?
    US Govt “mandate” is to produce 15 billion gal of ethanol per year by 2015.
    Current ethanol production stated as 143 million gallons per day plus 700 mgd of conversion plants under construction.
    840 mgd = 306.6 billion gal/year or about 20% of ‘mandate’.

    Conversion factors
    1 teaspoon (US) = 0.16666666 fluid oz (US).
    1 (US) gallon = 128 (US) fluid oz (or 3.785 liters).
    US teaspoons per US gal = 768.

    Assume “less than one teaspoon” = 0.15 fluid oz.
    Number per US gal = 853.

    How much water is this (just in growing corn)?

    15 billion US gal ethanol at 0.15 teaspoon ethanol per gal of water = 12,795,000,000,000 (~ 13 Trillion US gal water per year).

    13 Trillion US gal = ~ 5 Billion cu meters.

    How much food could this represent?

    IAVS (aka “Aquaponic”) yields per cu meter of water (avg) was (is) 60 kg fish + 300+ kg vegetables (both containing water which is consumed directly BTW).
    5 billion cu meters water >>produces >> 300 Billion kg fish + 1.5 trillion kg vegetables.

    Per capita:
    Divided by estimated 6.6 billion people on the planet
    = 45.5 kg (100 lb) fish per person and 227 kg (500 lb) of vegetables per year – every year, or approx. 1/4 lb of fish plus 1.4 lb of fresh vegetables EVERY day of the year for EVERY man, woman and child on this bushing planet.

    ‘Theyâ’re talking aboutâ’ using enough water (in theory) to feed the entire freaking planet all year, every year, merely to provide ‘up toâ’ 10% of US gasoline consumption – which (attempts to) â’saveâ’ less than 2% (if any at all) of US oil consumption since ethanol EROEI conversion is barely positive – if at all.

    Talk about ‘basic⒠CRIMINAL enterprise!

    I have a far more human â’solutionâ’ of proffer.

    Grow as much corn as possible but for only one year. Allot two ears (whole) of corn per person (times 6 billion). For each of the 6 billion ‘chosen onesâ’, take one ear and cram it down their esophagus (raw) and insert the other up their rectum. Do not removed (compost in situ). Problem solved. No more food shortages. No starvation, suffering. mayhem, pestilence, global ‘unrestâ’, war, or US gasoline â’supply problemsâ’. This would be FAR more humane than the protracted consequences (pain and suffering) caused by the current ‘planâ’. IMO.

    Have I mentioned recently how I HATE bushing-retarded humanoids?

  • March 22, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    I’m just back from my rare trips to pick up 1/10 of a steer (a group of us split one every year) as well as a trunkful of horse manure for the garden. It’s sort of a chick-bonding pajama party as well as a harvest festival (well, usually it’s in the fall).

    This year the friend organizing it turned to me at one point in our yakking, says that a bunch of homeschool moms she knows were trying to organize a group order from one of Admin’s would-be competitors … and Gosh, Fern, they were out of wheat. Just like you’ve been telling me for months!

    And she’s not totally a Sheeple. She homeschools, hell she UNSCHOOLS her kids, is a long-term libertarian, etc.

  • March 23, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    I should have been more explicit.

    From “there” to “here”:
    How did we get FROM tribal life of sharing, and knowledge of plants and animals and uses of same, and living on the earth comfortably without raping and pillaging resources or destroying others, TO a life where every politician is drunk with power and blinded by greed, and the sheeple don’t give a flying crap as long as they have their satellite TV, sitcoms, burgers & fries, gasoline-powered everything, and more mindless fluff to entertain themselves?

    Well, actually I know and everyone on this knows. It has been gradual. Each generation teaches its children a little less about “how to live on this earth”. Each generation is dumbed down a little more than the one before, partly with purpose by the powers that be, and partly by accident due to parental tendencies to want to “make my children’s life easier”.

    And now we’re all gonna pay…

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