Open Thread #101 / Comments

Open thread for comments / news you want to share.

I’ll mention several developments: You can now sail a sailboat through the Arctic, an “almost” first in human history.

Of course, watchers should all know that we’ve made history again in the Arctic, with new records now being set daily for ice loss. We’re about a month out for the melt to stop too, so expect daily records to be smashed until things finally stop melting.

The Weather Reality Check:

Too bad we have to make light of what is actually a staggeringly huge global disaster.

I’ve given quite a lot of thought to why this is so incredibly important, and frankly, almost everything else going on all over the entire planet pales in comparison.  We can survive economic collapse, war, terrorism, fascism, Big Brother and pretty much everything else (but not without a lot of harm, suffering and death), but it’s becoming quite doubtful in my book that we’re going to survive the climate disaster unfolding.  This is why I harp on this so much, it’s bigger, it’s worse and it’s simply being ignored by all the people that SHOULD be doing something about this..

I attended Spokane’s Pig Out (really, that’s what it’s actually called) last weekend.  It’s a food fest, where thousands of people show up to literally “pig out”.

Spokane Pig OutI can’t think of anything that indicates a stronger indictment of the human race.  Gluttony and greed will undoubtedly be our destruction, as evidenced by the constant increase in consumption of resources around the world.

Why did I go?  To see it.  To finally take a day off.  Still working 7 days a week, so it was nice to take a break for once.

I read online where the State of Alaska has decided to stock up on emergency food preparations, with a lot of useless speculation by commentators that this was actually intended for the military (takeover apparently).  This defies common sense and is quite ridiculous.  Nothing of the sort is underfoot.

Several States and agencies are making food purchases and have for some years now, for exactly what is intended, emergency disaster relief. Ready-to-eat meals are only intended for short durations and have a limited shelf life, a very poor choice for the military except on remote deployments.  They bring in their own kitchen cafeterias for any extended time periods — and they don’t work through State agencies when making their own preparations.  This was the dead giveaway that the speculation surrounding this was dead wrong. My own comments on this were denied publication, something that is increasingly common these days.

This is part of the speculation fever tied into the ammo purchases we’ve read about, none of which amount to a hill of beans. I refuse to take part in the stupid speculation coming from the so-called “survivalist community” with apparently has lost all common sense and reason. Either they are so afraid and are reacting badly to every bit of news being released, or they’re just unwilling to accept things as they actually are.  Whatever it is, I’m not willing to use this blog space to do anything more then to call it all stupid speculation.

I don’t even agree with the speculation that there is going to be total economic collapse following the (s)Election this fall.  They’ve still got too many tricks left in their bag of deception for this to happen as is being widely ‘predicted’ by so-called experts. There is also little factual evidence to support these claims.

Things will be worse indeed, but not “over”.  We’re still a long, long ways from “over”.  The Apocalyptic scenario(s) that everyone seems to envision are quite a ways off.  We can expect a lot of things, including ongoing decline, severity and difficulties, but the Apocalypse or something like it is not one of them.  Not yet.

It’s puzzling sometimes why we cannot seem to get our heads around ‘reality’.  How things actually are, how things work, who is doing what and why.  It seems as if it is easier to engage in conjecture and speculation instead.  This doesn’t accomplish anything and ultimately, and is a lot of wasted time and effort.

The (s)Election fiasco grinds on, hardly worth even mentioning.  Rhetoric, platitudes and pablum continue, as scripted.  Nothing will change as endlessly ‘promised’. Nor will we find the courage to hold these liars accountable for the actions, lies or promises. The Collapse is ongoing, and is characterized by our cowardice to do the right thing, subscribing instead to self-preservation and temporary survival.

There will be no political “rescue” (nor a mystical one either). Humanity will have to suffer through its endless series of mistakes and disastrous decisions. The sum total of this simply means that we will have to endure (somehow) through everything that we’ve done to OURSELVES and to the planet that sustains us all. Human decisions and indifference are entirely responsible, which means that reversing or stopping any of this must also come through human efforts. Yet there is really no valid reason to assume that we won’t go on making bigger and bigger mistakes, which is what I’ve personally come to expect.

Real hope, if there really is any such thing, will come through personal action.  How you live your life, what you do each day with your time, and how you engage with the world around you.  This year, I’ve accomplished several major projects, now winding down in preparation for winter. My “hope” as it were, is knowing that I met these accomplishments.  What I do, is my true “hope”, not what I expect others to do because I’m constantly disappointed by their lack of action. Eventually, I won’t do any more, either because I can’t, or don’t need to or because I’ll have done all I can.

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28 thoughts on “Open Thread #101 / Comments

  • September 4, 2012 at 1:25 pm
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    i really love that weather spoof short clip. Too cool.

    On sudden or gradual collapse. Whenever we make predictions into the future, we need to accompany it with something indicating probability of it happening. I happen to agree with you that the highest probability is a fairly long (2-4 years) agonizing decline in the collapse of this country/civilization. And this is only taking for granted it is a man made collapse. Fairly sudden economic collapses have happened in the past in different parts of the world. Different circumstances and different governments of course. Cripes, Rome took generations to fall apart. We also have to take into account when we tag the beginning of the collapse. I like to tag it at 2 distinct periods of our history; the civil war and the great depression. The great depression is 90 years behind us now, and the civil war period and Lincolns presidency is around 150 years. If you use one of those two dates, it has been generations since it began. If those dates have any significance to collapse, then it might seem reasonable that we could expect collapse at any time.

    Collapse does not have to be strictly man made either, although that is of immediate concern in my thinking. If this planet gets hit by a large enough chunk of rock, I rather imagine an immediate and total collapse would follow. So would a big enough amount of volcanic activity or earthquakes.

    If we take the beginning of collapse as being in the 21st century, then yup we can figure a man made collapse some time off. Although, the Ronnie Ray-gun presidency certainly started the ball rolling big time.

    Wouldn’t it be nice to have an accurate crystal ball to predict the future?

  • September 4, 2012 at 2:51 pm
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    Maybe we do, in a way. Consider that everything is interconnected with everything else. All human activity is derived from natural resources. Oil energy makes the extraction / production possible. Both are in decline.

    Food is a natural resource, heavily dependent upon climate and petroleum. Meanwhile, population inexorably continues to climb. Economic activity derives its capacity from trade and manufacturing, which is just another way of describing extraction of natural resources. Essentially all human activity is the result of what was naturally available.

    The decline, ie., collapse is sourced from human activities on virtually all environmental resources. Nothing is really ‘slowing this down’ yet, not even oil costs / availability. So collapse is actually being caused by resource and environmental declines.

    Climate is causing tremendous havoc (billions per year) on human endeavors. This too is considered at least 90% human caused now with some natural variability tossed in.

    If we could accurately asses the following factors, we’d have our crystal ball:
    a) resources remaining
    b) rate of consumption
    c) rate of population growth
    d) rate of natural replenishment
    e) extent and speed of climate ‘collapse’

    All these factors (and more) have actually been considered by various people, including yours truly. Some of them are far better qualified to assess the point at which they become virtually non-existent for all practical purposes.

    Humans are pretty good at surviving most anything, yet we have never had the convergence of all these events on such a huge scale, all occurring at the same time (along with a huge unsustainable population level). Nor have we ever had to deal the scope and magnitude of the resource declines we’re now seeing.

    In the past, we could simply move our activities to a new area to begin the pillage again. This is what is now being done in the Arctic. But then what? What happens when there is virtually nothing left to pillage and plunder? We can’t seem to restrain ourselves on anything.

    It’s not a magic crystal ball, but it’s just a certain as if it was. Not hard to ‘predict’ what’s coming at all.

    • September 5, 2012 at 10:04 am
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      Admin,

      I have found that taking a bunch of interrelated information and making projections into the future has a low probability rate of being correct. Mankind has been making future predictions for all of recorded history and most of them didn’t happen, or at least, not as predicted. Of course, if enough predictions are made, some of them will indeed happen.

      I happen to agree with you that if our data is correct, there is an almost 100% probability of a collapse of some nature. Predicting when that will happen is a whole other problem and what that collapse will actually look like is speculation on our part.

      On available data, I had predicted (expected) some kind of collapse back in the late ’70’s early ’80’s and had prepared accordingly. The collapse didn’t happen (we came close but no cigar) and my preparation for it involving a disproportionate amount of time and energy was wasted even though educational. My spouse and I have been predicting collapse of some nature since the late 90’s and in 2004 took steps to protect ourselves. It hasn’t happened yet although it sure appears to us that we are in some kind of collapse scenario right now. Then again, the folks in charge of everything may just hold the worst of it off till we are long gone.

      I am in complete agreement with you concerning the data on resource depletion and the highly potential consequences. I am also in agreement with you concerning climate change and those consequences. I do think that there is other factors influencing climate change than mankind’s meddling and stupidity on the subject. We may just be contributing to it rather than the primary cause. So far I have been unable to to come to a complete conclusion on this. I do think that mans attempt at Geo-engineering will very much influence the outcome in a negative way.

      I suspect that resource depletion will be the biggest problem humans will have, particularly concerning water, fertility of the soil, and breathable air. I further suspect that the PTB also realize this and figure population reduction is an imperative. If so, my big question is how they figure to do it and what the outcome will look like.

      All in all, I figure human continuance on this planet is in peril. A value choice, is that a good thing or a bad thing? Considering what humans have actually done to this planet and its environment in the last 200 years maybe we do need to go away. Our ceasing to value those systems on this planet that sustain life will be our doom.

  • September 5, 2012 at 6:08 am
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    On conservation — and how we by so doing, we are only ensuring our destruction through population: Heretical Thoughts

    ‘We’re conserving in 2007 so that we can help assure the very nightmarish future we fear the most—a nation and a planet so overpopulated as to eventually assure its destruction.”

  • September 5, 2012 at 6:17 am
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    No need to conserve the elephants (surely, a renewable ‘resource’). May as well massacre them using helicopters to herd them up: Elephants Slaughtered By The Tens of Thousands.

    poached elephant
    Let’s see…. No elephants = more room for more people. More people < less ivory, price goes up, everybody 'wins'. Surely, this must be a good thing, since we keep doing it. Fucking humans.

  • September 5, 2012 at 6:37 am
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    More then a bit of Hopium — Climate Futures (*.pdf), a study of what can be expected in five different scenarios.

    I’m not a fan of this report, as it is laced with too much hopium, dependency and has out-dated information (already). The part of about climate refugees in Antarctica (2030) however may be reasonably accurate.

    One of the ‘problems’ I see with these kinds of studies is an overall refusal to admit to certain factors. First off, their hoping to ‘spark debate‘. Debate? It’s pretty clear we’re going to on ‘debating the issues’ until it’s too late.

    There is also the emphasis upon the economy, as if this is the most valuable thing we must somehow ‘protect’. This is a gross underestimation of real value — and will always lead to exploitation and destruction.

    In any case, it’s supposedly an ‘expert’ opinion, but I’m not suggesting it to be better then other sources, including this blog.

  • September 5, 2012 at 6:17 pm
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    I agree that were not at apocalypse stage yet, and I really prefer Ragnarok as a better story. A big question is what we’ll we need to see , or what else it will take to take us to this stage of collapse?
    I think you really mean 2012 of the Mayans, as opposed to The apocalypse which is really more the earth being attacked by God and his horde of angels (UFO) . I think With the calender makers you have to keep in mind that they picked a date way out in history that is of no use to them, if it was a joke they will never know how it went off. It’s not like they have a religion depending on it.
    Just my two cents but I think they seen or knew something. That said with 106 days left I’m still not convinced either way, or anyway, can’t wait to find out though. Ask any physic and they dont know whats going to happen , mostly from December until June of next year when the sun hopefully goes out of extreme maximus.
    Is the world as we know it about to end? Duh I think that is beyond question, we decided that a long time ago when we decided to ignore it and let future generations deal with it.
    Without a doubt math will kill us all, if we live long enough. As someone posted above 90 percent of the problem now is manmade . maybe more, but what about that other 10% .
    How much of that 10 is the solar maximus?

    I read that fireballs from space started the forest fires in Siberia, then a typhoon put them out.
    I also seen where scientists have found like 4 hundred billion tons of methane20 under Antarctica which is about to go into summer. , .
    Though I see the doom as well as anyone I like to keep in mind the Chinese saying “Be blessed to live in interesting times”

  • September 6, 2012 at 12:22 pm
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    Interesting article on conspiracy theories and the rejection of climate science, found here: Research Links Climate Science Denial To Conspiracy Theories — But Skeptics Smell A Conspiracy

    “In the paper, Lewandowsky concludes that “endorsement of a cluster of conspiracy theories… predicts rejection of climate science”. The research also claims a correlation between people who endorse free-market economics and the ”rejection of climate science”.”

    I think this was already pretty obvious. There are other characteristics that define the conspiracy crowd too, such as rejecting common sense in favor of reactionary “thinking” (using the term loosely of course), heavy self-promotion, bad advice and bad (unverifiable) data.

  • September 6, 2012 at 8:21 pm
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    Hi, I am from Eastern Ontario, along the St. Lawrence seaway. I can say for everyone that this summer began in March with 32 degree temps. and today still 32 on average with the lows now at 18 at night. I have never wanted winter so bad. I am a prepper, gardener and keenly watch what the animals are doin this year. The predators in these country lands are killing the local cats and anything easy. the only rain of note was past monday’s leftover of Isaac.

    No one talks to much but in quite hush conversations among friends, but all are in agreement that we have runaway climate change. People are preparing in their own ways, but are not going to talk about it, even to their closest friends. No One trusts NO one, and rightly so.

    Admin, your words through the years have not fallen on deaf ears.
    We work the best we can towards self sufficiency when the ball drops. I thank you.

    • September 8, 2012 at 7:50 am
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      Good video. Makes it pretty clear that our excess C02 emissions is a major contributor.

  • September 8, 2012 at 9:02 am
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    I would be suprised if a large government has not at least seriously considered making a chimera weapon that causes “zombies”. I imagine that the target chimera would be a mixture of rabies and influenza.

    The government encouring people to prepare for zombie attack is a brilliant bit of applied psychology to get the tax livestock to protect themselves from various disasters; if they die then they don’t pay tax.

    I think that a total economic collapse will happen somewhere in the next 5 years. I think the most likely candidates for the first to go are Haiti and Zimbabwe. I wonder if they would cause their neighbors to collapse faster, too. If the neighbors hold on for a while I suppose they would become freer outside of the common borders and capitals (the government would be too busy protecting the border and capital). And maybe those neighbors would set up bank secrecy laws to encourage foreigners to deposit money there, and maybe would be very welcoming to relatively rich foreign refugees moving in.

    Life on the wrong side of the border would be impossible for most people, It would be fight or die; the winner gets to eat the loser’s body. The population would drop to just about zero. New people could then move in and deal with the arid landscape. They maybe would use the place to run profitable activities politically unpopular in their home countries. I guess these home countries would respond in various ways: the US would drop bombs, but the poorer nations would be forced to use more peacefully methods.

  • September 9, 2012 at 8:43 am
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    Here’s another idiotic thing humans still do and allow to be done and we’re in the 21st century…

    Picture – http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s480x480/560451_410007495726967_906333700_n.jpg

    Story that goes with picture –
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    You know that nice fresh and clean smell you have after a rain storm? Well depending on where you live, that area might actually be cleaner after a heavy rainfall. Below is a picture of a pollution spill in the south of Florida, (US).

    Mind you, this spill is not from a factory up stream, or some company doing a secret pollution dump. It is just the day to day toxic build up on the streets and some…untreated sewage that got washed from the roads into public waterways. Stormwater runoff happens when water from precipitation flows over impervious surfaces like sidewalks, roads, or anything paved.

    Some of the main pollutants that the runoff picks up are spilled motor vehicle fluids, pesticides for grass, solvents, and debris. The runoff doesn’t always empty into the ocean, but instead can also empty into water reservoirs that are used for drinking water, fishing, or other recreational activities. Not only can some of these pollutants poison aquatic life, humans can also become sick from eating diseased fish.

    This particular body of pollution was released from Biscanye Bay after a large rainstorm passed over North Miami Beach. – Claire

    Photo Credit: Mike Theiss

    • September 9, 2012 at 11:09 pm
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      Some additional questions about September 11th., 2001.

      Why is it known as Nine Eleven? This naming of the date substitutes a number for the name of the month. In Chinese many incidents are dated like this, such as: ????(6 4 Incident): Tiananmen Square Massacre. ???? (7 7 Incident); Marco Polo Bridge Incident. ?????? (9 2 1 Big Easrthquake); Jiji Earthquake. Are there any other incidents in American history that are commonly known by a numerical date? I can’t think of any. To me the name Nine Eleven is a psychological tool to make Americans as servile as the Chinese.

      What were the odds of Satam al-Suqami’s passport surviving the crash then being found undamaged by a passerby, reportedly in the vicinity of Vesey Street, before the towers collapsed? Are those odds higher that the odds that the passport was not on the airplane that day and was carried by an publically unknown agent that day to the vicinity of Vesey Street so that it may secured by the New York Police Department?

  • September 10, 2012 at 9:13 am
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    Wait – spoke too soon. Apparently this author is another one of those knee-jerk reactionary idiots who believes that we’re all about to be “rounded up”. How technology will send you to hell in the FEMA camps. He didn’t write it, but he posted it in its entirety.

    Fucking moron. I am SO SICK OF THESE IDIOTS AND FOOLS posting self-promoting crap like this in order to gain readership. Knee-jerk reactionary bullshit, with zero basis in facts or reality. Disinformation agents most likely.

    I’ve looked into several of the claims, ie., “cattle cars with shackles”, “prison camps” and came away utterly unconvinced this is anything but Internet rumor-mongering bullshit coming from morons like Alex Jones, Steve Quayle and many others.

    The “roundup of Americans” is yet another bullshit story. Extremely unlikely (not zero percent, nothing is zero percent). 300 million+ armed Americans will not meekly go down without some serious payback. The idea that we’re going to be “rounded up” just doesn’t fly. Not for a long, long time and only and IF they somehow managed to disarm us ALL. Which is incredibly unlikely.

    THEY DON’T HAVE THE RESOURCES to do this. Never forget that. Not yet. Maybe never. They’ll recruit many with food, but it is still so unlikely that it hardly bears any serious consideration.

    No, they’ll keep doing what they’ve always done, incrementalism, chipping away bit by bit. It’s a hell of a lot safer for them that way and we’re pathetic enough to keep tolerating this.

    500 .40 caliber rounds weighs just over 18 lbs. NOBODY carries 18 lbs of pistol ammo (unless their an Internet keyboard commando, which this idiot obviously is). Furthermore, no professional soldier would rely on pistol ammo anyway (pistols are never your first choice).

    The DHS ammo purchase stories are meaningless — meaning yes, they’re buying ammo, but it’s nothing unusual. It’s a paltry amount in point of fact, and would NOT be used in the case of civil war as their first choice (for the same reasons above, handguns / ammo is not what you use to subdue a population). It is being purchased for training, nothing more. It does NOT mean that they’re getting ready for a “roundup of Americans”. This story has zero basis in facts or reality.

  • September 13, 2012 at 4:39 pm
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    Back in June of 2011 you posted “Mass Extinctions Loom For World’s Oceans.” Since the comments are closed, I’d like to use this Open Thread to make you and your readers aware of an excellent ecological catastrophe thriller about “denizens of the deep” turning on humans for what they have done to the oceans: “The Swarm” by German author Frank Schatzing.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Swarm_%28novel%29

    Excerpt (on the emergence of a “vampire” dinoflagellate): “Toxins were killing marine life, coral was succumbing to new forms of disease, and beds of algae had become infected. But all of this was merely a reflection of the true state of the seas, which were suffering the consequences of overfishing, chemical dumping, the urbanisation of coastal regions, and global warming. No one could agree on whether the invasion of killer algae was a new development or a periodic occurrence, but there was no doubt that it was spreading across the globe to an unprecedented extent and that Nature had once again demonstrated her infinite creativity in producing new species.”

    I highly recommend this book — and I’d like to mention again that it’s worth your while to search for a copy of “The Last Gasp” by Trevor Hoyle, also a cautionary tale about a future we may be facing, thanks to what dioxin levels are doing to the ocean’s plankton population.

  • September 27, 2012 at 4:34 pm
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    Ever since I first seen the movie ‘Soylant Green’ ( Ok, you can laugh now) which I think is suppose to take place in 2016 or 2020, etc. – – I have always been haunted by the one scene in it where EG Robinson (Old Man Sol) is in being euthanize and as he lays there all these wonderful scenes come up and surround him from how the Earth looked in the past and Heston ( Young Thor) is looking on and he never has seen the Earth look like this, never grew up in that type of world, but Sol did….

    http://youtu.be/WYTIgcMRdbU

    My gut feeling is that sometime in the future, unless a major change takes place around the world within all humans and with governments and corporations, that that movie scene will become a actuallity for many future old ones and young ones yet to be born…

  • October 1, 2012 at 4:56 pm
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    On top of all the other insanity, here’s another great idea from the wackjobs:
    Why In The World Are They Spraying
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEfJO0-cTis&feature=player_embedded
    People around the world are noticing that our planet’s weather is dramatically changing. They are also beginning to notice the long lingering trails left behind airplanes that have led millions to accept the reality of chemtrail/geoengineering programs. Could there be a connection between the trails and our severe weather? While there are many agendas associated with these damaging programs, evidence is now abundant which proves that geoengineering can be used to control weather. In this documentary you will learn how the aerosols being sprayed into our sky are used in conjunction with other technologies to control our weather. While geoengineers maintain that their models are only for the mitigation of global warming, it is now clear that they can be used as a way to consolidate an enormous amount of both monetary and political power into the hands of a few by the leverage that weather control gives certain corporations over the Earth’s natural systems. This of course, is being done at the expense of every living thing on the planet. Directed/Produced by Michael J. Murphy and Produced/Edited by Barry Kolsky.. Written by Michael J. Murphy and Barry Kolsky. http://www.witwats.com
    (1.25 hours)

  • October 1, 2012 at 4:56 pm
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    Check out — The Fuck-it Point
    http://savagerevival.net/
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYUYzYdL1E4
    A film about the dark side of civilization, why we should bring it down and why most civilized people don’t.
    ‘When you have had enough. When you decide to take matter into your own hands and don’t care what’s going to happen to you. When you know that from now on you will resist with whatever tactic you think is most effective.’ – THE FUCK-IT POINT
    (42 minutes)

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