Future Prep – Part I

The question of how to prepare for the future is a question that comes up often. In the light of current developments and global trends, massive changes are now occurring around the world that will make the issue of personal survival a critical priority. This blog has documented many of these global conditions that are now converging together into a frightening, cataclysmic future that will severely affect every living human being on the planet.

A great many people are struggling with what personal preparations are necessary for their future survival, what can be done, what should be done and even when to do it.

Some important points to remember –

  • What we do – will be what enables our kids and our descendants to survive.
  • What we don’t do – is what will condemn our children and our descendants to lives of extreme poverty and difficulties.
  • The longer we delay – the more difficult and expensive it will become. In the not-to-distant future, it won’t be even remotely affordable.
  • We are ultimately talking about the very survival of the human race – the problem is that serious and far reaching.

What it’s going to take to survive for the next 10 – 50 years? In my opinion, quite a lot. Everything we have taken for granted about life, living, civilization and society is no longer assured. A devastated and blasted planet is rejecting its human host and the threads of civilization are snapping everywhere you look. What we are witnesses to today is just the beginning of a long decline, slow or fast, that will shatter our common futures. Of this I am absolutely certain.

Warning signs are being posted daily by eminent scientists, researchers and analysts around the world. Global trends in economics, environment, energy, culture, politics, freedom and even the world’s oxygen supply are ominous.

The very life systems we depend upon are no longer a certainty. The only certainty there is will be change – massive change disrupting the ‘normal’ ebb and flow we are all accustomed to. My prediction about the future isn’t based on anything more then an examination of history and the present and current trends. It’s fact, it’s not a prediction at all. It’s supported by scientific fact and evidence that is now cascading forward, warning the world of what to expect.

How to best prepare for this climate of change isn’t an exact science. We will all wind up doing whatever it is we can do. But I contend that what we do right now is what will make the biggest impact of all on our chances for survival.

I hold no illusions about my own chances, or that of anyone else actually. Even the best laid plans of mice and men oft go astray. But chance is a fickle thing, and why tempt fate?

I suspect my thoughts on this subject are a little more then ‘ahead of their’ time on three issues. First of all, it is nearly impossible to tell how things will actually work out. Climate is one of the biggest unknowns. We only know that climate change is swinging wildly in direction of extremes. Whether drought or deluge or thermohaline or global warming (all related), the global climate change will dramatically effect present and future life on earth. However, drought is the real problem that we’ll have to deal with in North America.

Secondly, the rising fascism and police state tyranny and tactics could go in several different directions. A civil war could erupt in America over lost rights (eventually) or even an immigration war could spark a martial law crackdown. More likely however, is the civil war will erupt over lost privileges and possessions (see below). Increased acts of domestic terrorism, real or fabricated, could generate a massive federal backlash upon the average citizen. Gauging what happens in a future police state isn’t an exact science either, however, the past and current trends does give us some insight.

Thirdly, the massive energy collapse that is already now underway will preempt everything else. Our civilization existed on a sea of oil, which has now reached it’s peak and is headed for a severe decline. Food, agriculture, transportation, distribution, commerce, production, mining, everything requires huge volumes of oil. The global infrastructure is headed for a severe collapse, taking the economy down with it. Even worse, is global starvation as a result. Few understand the intricate links of oil to food production, but estimates run as high as 5 out of 6 persons will die as a result of the energy collapse.

There is no substitute for petroleum in our oil-soaked world. Nothing even remotely comes close to meeting the global energy needs. Alternative energy, nuclear, solar, wind and even methane hydrates cannot even begin to meet the energy requirements to maintain our present civilization. No techno-fix is available. Energy collapse will be swift, certain and global.

I suspect my thoughts are controversial, but they are beginning to take hold around the world as other people study the issues and connect the dots into a coherent picture. Not everybody has the ‘doom and gloom’ outlook I do. I’m not going to even bother to defend my point of view as I find this an exercise in futility. If you’re not already listening and aware of the current events and trends that are now taking place globally, then being told how to survive them won’t make any sense to you either.

Choosing a lifestyle path that will assist your future chances of survival is critical in my opinion towards increasing your chances and that of your family. What you do right now will make the biggest ‘controllable’ impact in your life. The rest is entirely out of your control anyway.

And there are a lot of myths out there that I really have to laugh at. I suspect that many of them are written by people who have absolutely no practical experience in the things that they are writing about (survival). One writer believes that you don’t need to prepare, just “survive” (somehow) and “pick up what you need” after the die-off happens (including skills, apparently). This approach will certainly get you killed, which may be the real agenda of such advice.

Refugees do not fare well in any situation. Deliberately and knowingly putting yourself into a refugee status is suicide. And right now, refugees are taken care of by the larger society (if possible), which may not be the case in the future. In fact, refugees may be the ‘plague’ of any remaining society and will be exterminated or forced into concentration camps. This is not far fetched at all – this has happened all over the world already. Throwing your life away to chance and an unknown future is like giving up the controls on your car at 80 mph. What the hell do you think is going to happen?

Okay then, leaving aside the mythology of ‘modern thinkers’, let’s categorize some of the issues we’re going to have to deal with.


The global economic meltdown is already underway. You will ‘need’ to cope with this on several fronts. Your income is dwindling and your purchasing power is going to be drastically reduced, rapidly. Right now, higher gas prices are being reflected in the cost of everything else, but we’ve yet to see the real impact of this. The housing bubble is set to implode, devaluing real estate dramatically. The derivatives market is grossly overextended, further exacerbating the world financial situation.

As the economy melts like the glaciers in Greenland, it’s possible that a tsunami sized event will trigger a massive free fall. I can think of several such event possibilities, but I don’t know if they will happen or not. Nuclear war would trigger such an event. Pandemic, sudden climate change, plague or even war. As they say, it’s not “if” but “when” the global economic meltdown starts affecting you. The how it happens isn’t particularly important on a personal level.

So get debt free as quickly as possible. I repeat – get debt free if you can. I do not believe for a moment that the greedy bankers and mortgage companies will ‘forgive’ your mortgage just because everyone else is also failing in their mortgages. A global meltdown will NOT protect you from your financial obligations. It didn’t during the Depression and it won’t now. Moreover, money is the motivation and the grease behind the capitalistic economy and it won’t be abandoned just because there is a global or national or even regional economic meltdown. We are at least a generation away yet from abandoning capitalism, much more suffering will be in order to reveal to our thick skulls it’s dangers and destructive practices. Capitalism is at the very heart of why we are facing a global resource shortage and dangerous climate change.

Liquidate unnecessary assets. Look around and identify all the superfluous junk in your life that is only being held onto because you forgot it was there, or you thought it would be a ‘great investment’. The decline in purchasing power is making some (not all) of these investments a losing proposition already. The goal here is to free you up from your worldly attachment and responsibilities, get out of debt and generate some cash so you can buy some of the things you’re going to need.

Relocate to a sustainable location. If you live in the desert and are dependent upon outside sources of water (such as the Colorado river system) that is now drying up, you’re in an unsustainable and unsuitable location for future climate shift. There are many reasons to relocate, this being just one, but water is going to be a HUGE factor in the future. Get near plenty of fresh water. Lowland ocean property is going to be flooded (rising sea level) and hundreds of millions of people are going to be forced to relocate, driving prices higher and higher. But you can’t drink salt water or raise crops with it, so find an area that has plenty of natural river systems.

Water wars are the wars of the future. Some really stupid legislation is trying to be passed (or has been passed) to prevent you from gathering your own rain water, or is taking total control and ownership of all the water in wells (even drilled on your own land). You’ll have to either ignore this, move, or defeat this type of garbage. Water is life and in a continent that is going to dry up, it will become extremely important to your survival. You will be reminded of this daily, so plan ahead.

Sustainable locations also means an area where there are already trends for self-sufficiency in growing, transportation (a big one), recycling, public awareness and power generation (wind, hydro, nuclear, but not coal or oil or natural gas). These areas area already far advanced over other locations that are still too dumb to realize what’s happening.

Finding an area that presently offers a good growing season is essential, but you will have to judge whether or not if it will remain a good growing area due to climate shift. You might have to move again.

The local and migrant population of the area will need to be examined for numbers, safety and sustainability. Can they feed themselves? Cities are a prime example of this inability, requiring massive inputs of food, energy, water, fuel and supplies to simply exist, day by day. Rural areas that provide small populations, self-sufficiency (or potential), plentiful water, and fuel (heat fuel, such as wood will be essential).

Climate Change

Climate change will affect everyone, everywhere. Signs of the times and the future are already being felt around the world with massive storms, hurricanes and drought. Global climate models reveal that many areas will suffer drought, others will be flooded and some will experience wild swings between wet and dry (including massive snowfalls or none at all).

Climate change will also make or break the global or national economy, depending on how fast we manage to adjust, if at all (it is somewhat doubtful we will be able to adequately adapt). But the world prices in essential goods for your survival will continue to climb as climate change causes increased expenses in everything.

Lowland sea coast will be inundated with rising oceans, forcing hundreds of millions to relocate. In some parts of the world, entire nations will be engulfed by the rising seas. Thousands of islands will simply disappear, island relocations have already started in several countries. There will probably be time to forcibly relocate most of these people, but where and what to feed them as their local and regional and national economies collapse will be difficult.

Expect food prices to continue to skyrocket literally out of sight as climate change impacts global food stocks and growing areas. Dwindling energy supplies will also exacerbate the impacts in agricultural costs, processing, transportation and distribution. Experts agree that food will one of the most severely impacted global resources on the planet. Massive, worldwide starvation is expected, with 5 out of 6 individuals facing violent death or starvation.

Climate modeling is not an exact science since we do not understand all the mechanisms that affect climate fully. But we do know several very important factors. The global climate can change extremely rapidly (in one year or less). It’s historical impacts have already destroyed a great many civilizations before ours. And human-caused climate change is a fact. Continued exploitation and destruction and the resulting pollution of the worlds remaining resources is magnifying the problem. Because of this general awareness, expect restrictive legislation impacting heating, transportation and useage of certain products (oil, gasoline, diesel, chemicals and certain gasses).

Carbon dioxide is a big factor in climate change, as is methane. Businesses, industry and the ‘consumer’ will be deeply affected by forthcoming legislation that dictates how you live, eat, drive and work as a result of human-caused greenhouse gasses being released into the atmosphere. The easiest way to cope with this is to make the adjustments now to a low-impact, sustainable lifestyle. You will already be ahead of the game when it becomes mandatory.

Police State / Tyranny

The growing fascism in the US is in its infancy, really, but will undoubtedly (imo) become significantly worse. Governments do not relinquish power easily (or at all) until they are forced to do so (we’re talking revolutionary style force). The road to fascism is a one way street too. There will be no turning back now, which can only happen upon the ashes of the old.

Increased surveillance, investigation, ‘thought crimes’, RFID (radio frequency identifiers), human implants, cameras, legislation, militarized police force, federalization of local, regional and state police, massive budgets and more bogus ‘terrorism’ false-flag events will continue to increase the goosestep into a fascist empire of tyranny.

It’s effect on you will be far more noticeable with mandatory demands for ID (Real ID comes next year), registration of guns, children, invasive “census” reports, increased infractions for online comments and thought crimes, repressed dissent and protest, more extensive “free speech zones” encompassing entire cities, more police presence at all public venues and transportation, ‘turn-your-neighbor-in’ programs with awards and cash bonuses, more seizure “fever” and illegal private property thefts by government thugs.

All of these are already underway and even more “authority” is being demanded to increase such activity. Internment camps for Americans are also being setup to house dissenters and political ‘prisoners’. Bush is seeking exemptions from the Geneva Convention to continue to use torture and rendition in the ‘war on terror’ which now includes journalists, housewives, political protestors and children.

Large, stupid segments of America will go right along with this as the guns are banned and their children continue to be brainwashed and indoctrinated by the media and schools. Resistance groups will develop but will be quickly overwhelmed by the massive police state apparatus and the public’s perception of ‘terrorists’ being grossly distorted and manipulated by the media. Increased demonization of anti-nationalism and anti-patriotism will continue to distort the real meaning of those words.

Coping will be very challenging if you’re the least bit outspoken. Already, millions of Americans have left the United States because of this one issue, while others will refuse to ‘give up their guns’ by leaving. This is another modern myth – gun ownership is useless if you’re unable or unwilling to use them, which adequately describes the situation today.

Expect nationalization of the world’s remaining resources as supplies dwindle. This will include petroleum, water, food, agricultural crops and even human labor. In order to remain in control, they will enforce control on whatever resources are available. You can even expect confiscation of your assets, bank accounts, guns, food or other ‘important’ assets that will permit the government to retain power for a little bit longer. This isn’t idle speculation – this has also happened before throughout history.

Racism / Extremism / Fundamentalism

Xenophobia is alive and well, demonizing entire segments of American population and especially ‘outsiders’. The bogus war on terror continues to manufacture problems (and profits), while the US media continues to fail to address the real issues.

A ‘normalized’ America will be demanded, forcing conformity for all US citizens (already underway) in looks, language, beliefs and practices. The melting pot is turning out useless grey slag, which will be deemed more and more desirable then diversity or individual differences.

Race wars within America will be more prevalent as individual groups struggle for identity and recognition. These will further serve the long arm of the State and it’s tyrannical plans for a militarized America. The easiest way to control a population is through fear – and to turn it upon itself.

Fundamentalist groups will exacerbate these issues to rabid extremes, wrapping religion and race together as one and calling for their own private holy ‘jihads’. Caught in the crossfire will be millions of Americans who will bleat like sheep and demand even more ‘protections’. Huge cross sections of America will be punished with police crackdowns and large scale profiling.

There will be no winners in this war as the fabric of American culture disintegrates even further while the politicians go on wringing their hands in useless and ineffectual gestures.

Peak Oil

Global oil reserves are in decline, despite the minuscule “huge finds” that are being claimed and oil will continue it’s upward climb as the supply dwindles. The “huge finds” will last then a single year at our current US consumption rates. This is fact, well understood by researchers and analyst. The government and media will continue to lie right until it’s total chaos about energy and it’s future, while private firms and researchers abandon government help and forge ahead on their own.

Expect to pay more, a lot more at the gas pump and in heating costs, and all other areas (food especially) as global supply dwindles in the face of increasing demand. We’re not talking double prices at the gas pumps, but over ten thousand percent higher. Yugoslavia saw 5 quadrillion percent inflation in the 90’s in one year. China will become far more vocal and militarized in it’s quest for oil for it’s citizens and global ambitions. Global resource wars will be the result. A closure of the Panama Canal, Straits of Hormez or any of a number of areas around the world will spark a global war. Iran and Venezuela remain on the chopping block for Empire – expect more war, more lies and more death.

Get rid of your gas guzzlers as soon as you can and revert to walking, biking and sharing rides and public transportation. Getting ‘local’ on food, work, transportation and housing, everything co-located that can’t be telecommuted will go a long ways towards lowering your personal dependency and exposure on oil and energy. When considering relocation, you will need to bear this in mind. Going ‘local’ is THE solution for billions of people in a world of dwindling energy supplies.


War will be the result of all of the above; climate, energy, hegemony, economics (war is good for business), water, food, strategic minerals and other resources. Basically, the world is not the least bit ready to ‘get along’ and overcome our perceived differences and governments around the world will desperately being trying to hold onto their imperial powers. A power-down world is going to be adamantly refused even while the resulting deaths will be witnessed everywhere. Wars, endless never ending wars will be the result. The 20th century saw more more war and more death then ever, expect the 21st century to pale the entire human history of war.

War will mean a draft, a volunteer army will no longer be sufficient. Global war will mean induction into ‘service’ whether military service or not. As the “American way of life is non-negotiable”, so will your life. You will have no control over it and will be forced into service. Being forced into serving Empire even if you don’t carry a gun will be the norm.

This will spark massive riots and protests and increased police state crackdowns. The losers will be the same as always, the citizens. Until Empire collapses, dissenters will continue to be the losers and will suffer some of the worst tyranny. This is already happening in the United States.

Time Frame

This is all happening right now. The news is full of reports and information regarding the progression to a chaotic world where there are no free choices left anymore to anyone. What we have left today isn’t really a free choice either, but there remains a tiny window of opportunity to choose from the ‘choices’ that do remain.

To not put too fine a point on it, they are not really ‘choices’, but leftovers from a world gone insane. Civilization has destroyed almost everything that permitted true freedom and liberty, enabling absolutely nothing in this area except “pay as you go” type of existence. Truly free humans would be allowed to live, eat, work, play and relax wherever and however they wanted without any encumbrances at all. Nor would they need a nanny state to coddle and protect them, the State simply wouldn’t exist, being totally unnecessary.

This generation will not ever see such freedom, nor will it’s children’s children, if they survive. The projected time frame for these massive changes above is starting now and will continue for the next 50 years or more. I can’t estimate what happens after that. Human extinction is quite possible due to gross negligence and deliberate destruction (nuclear war comes to mind and massive climate shift).

Preparing for the above needs to start now. Positioning yourself mentally, financially and physically for these huge changes should begin immediately. Do this now while you still can.

Disentangle yourself from superfluous affairs that are not enhancing your chances of survival. This includes emotional, physical and financial attachments. You new SUV is not going to ‘save’ you, it’s usefulness is limited and it’s future is already determined, it has a very short lifespan. That house you love is the same, if it’s not sustainable (or cannot be made to be that way) and is located in an area that is not sustainable or safe, then this emotional and financial attachment will wind up killing you. Lose it while you still can before the bank takes it from you or it becomes worthless and you can’t even give it away.

Start exercising daily doing things like biking, hiking, climbing, swimming, running, etc., real physical stuff that reflects the world to come. Get healthy by eating a proper diet, cutting out all the junk, sugars, useless carbohydrates and learn to raise some of your own food. Unload that garage full of clutter and start assembling the necesary goods and supplies that will enchance you chances of survival. And relocate if you are in an unsustainable area, soon, very, very soon before you are priced right out of the ability to do so.

The global economic crash will affect everyone and can you really afford to wait for housing prices to fall before you make your relocation move? That might work – and it might not. I’d bet on what would work and don’t worry about the rest. Money is something this meant to be used, not horded. You’re going to die with nothing anyway.

Learn practical skills in self-sufficiency. Gardening, animal husbandry, mechanical repair, including bicycles, motorcycles, welding and construction. Raising food is going to be essential for ‘localized’ citizens and how to do it. Food storage, preservation and preparation will be essential skills. Localized transportation and ’employment’ will become essential. So will self-defense and marksmanship skills, para-military training (or the real deal) and situational awareness.

Learn primitive living survival skills so if you must, you can simply live right off the land. Few are willing to take this route, but my investigations have indeed proven, it is possible in some areas.

Learn to ‘assess the news’ and delve it’s hidden meanings and coverups. Unfortunately today, the news hides as much or more then it reveals and it’s bias is focused towards mass brainwashing and delusional group-think. Got to keep the herd calm, asleep and entertained. We’re all going to have to ‘wise-up’ to reality and read in-between the lines on everything.

Form groups to enhance your chances. I have another blog post for this so will leave this comment very brief.

Get ‘real’ about your present situation and circumstances. Stop kidding yourself. Assess your own dependency upon the entire system – it’s what’s keeping you alive right now. Without it, you would die. Learn to live without it’s support if you can. Disentangle yourself more and more, working on it constantly so that you become self-reliant and self-sufficient and capable of dealing with a world in chaos. Dependency is also a one way street and has created a world full of incapable humans who really cannot take care of themselves. They lack even the basic skills to survive. The future won’t permit that, so do something about it. Get educated, get trained, put practical skills into daily experience and learn how to take care of your own needs.

These things are all going to be essential very, very soon and for some American, they already are. Remaining dependent upon crashing, colliding systems is suicide, but you can change if you put your mind to it and approach these issues with dedication and focus.


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11 thoughts on “Future Prep – Part I

  • September 13, 2006 at 1:55 pm

    the phrases “House of Cards” and “Shit Storm” leap to mind

    … in a hurricane and eartquake

    If our species is to survive even one more generation, IMO, there is but one ‘solution’. The present 6.5 to 7 billion humans must be reduced by at least 3 to 4 orders of magnitude (i.e. to less than 1 million) ASAP. The ‘good news’, IMO, is ‘we’ are well on our way – albeit 99.9% refuse to learn/see what’s just over the horizon.

    Repeat for emphasis:
    “The future is here. It’s just not widely distributed yet.” William Gibson.

    “Adapt or perish, now as ever, is nature’s inexorable imperative.” H.G. Wells

    Get yours now e.g. survival is earned, not awarded- nor a “right”.
    – or be one of 99%+ that will not contribute to the gene pool of future man (if any).

  • September 13, 2006 at 2:24 pm

    4 orders of magnitude ‘global improvement’

    global human pop.
    6.5E+9 / 1E+4 = 650,000

    US pop.
    3.5E+7 / 1E+4 = 35,000

    Montana pop.
    1.1E+6 / 1E+4 = 110

    myself excluded (by choice if not odds)

    Whether in 5 years, or 50, the human suffering will total the same (merely experienced over longer interval). Yet, with 50 more years of escalating planetary chaos and cummulative, categorical devastation, can the biosphere remain viable (support life) at all? Under prevailing trends, I suggest, “no way”.

  • September 13, 2006 at 2:29 pm

    Absolutely not. Too many interlocking systems are crashing now to ensure 50 more years.

    Whatever humans survive, it will be a combination of luck, skill and planning – in that order. Can’t do much about the first one, only the second and third can be helped by our efforts.

  • September 13, 2006 at 3:11 pm

    further ‘one-track’ yet random muse:


    6 Billion
    is 3.3 million per day for 5 years
    is 40 per second for 5 years

    everyday, your personal survival odds decline – significantly – no matter what you do or don’t do. the “future” (if any) is NOW.

    – the race of ‘civilizations’ toward oblivion is well underway

    – it’s outcome is preordained (established) even IF the specific course, obstacles, completion time are unknowable.

    -‘winners’ will NOT be announced.

    – prizes are redeemable in form of sexually mature progeny only

    cause is effect (we/you are both)

    bye- bye bipeds

  • September 13, 2006 at 3:13 pm

    First off, thank you for beginning this “How to Prepare” segment. This kind of subject is exactly why I began reading this blog in the first place. I really have enjoyed the Ecovillage and the Sustainable Living categories. This is practical and actionable information that anyone with half a brain could practice. That is if they could wake up and see the danger that has been around them for many years past. By the way, good for you Lionstone for showing interest in this area. In the post, you mentioned the need for a plentiful water source and the need to relocate to a sustainable location for it. I live in the southeast corner of New Mexico and water is a highly valued commodity. When the electric powered city water wells go off line due to no power for an extended period of time, or permanently, I can see things getting very ugly, very quick. This is why I did some research into homemade water wells. After asking a few local cotton farmers about their wells, I learned that our water table is only 45-50 feet. To sum it up, I have a self driven, hand pumped, water well that has the capability to supply my familyâ’s water needs as well as any food supply that needs to be raised. I highly recommend this to anyone who plans on surviving in an arid place like my part of the world.

  • September 14, 2006 at 5:57 am

    I’m one of those who arrived “LATE” to the party. When I sensed something wrong with housing prices, which led me to the housing bubble websites, which linked me to peak oil, global warming, great depression 2, and survival blogs, I found out I was watching too much american Idol and amazing race. So I started spending my free time on the internet. I think I’ve learned more on the net and the history channel than I ever did in all of high school. ANYWAY, I sold my overpriced crapbox in the suburbs in 2005 and paid cash for a little house up in northern minnesota, I still work in minneapolis, renting a house. I have been trying to do everything I’ve learned for a sustainable lifestyle and bringing it with me when I go up north, but I’ts not easy. I still have my SUV that I could’nt sell if I wanted to, gas prices were rising so fast it made it dificult to drive up and work on the house, and I thought I might have 5 years to get it done, now it looks like I have 2 years before tshtf. ANYWAY, people are giving their stuff away at garage sales and I have been buying all the survival related crap I can get my hands on for pennies on the dollar and bringing it with me when I head up north.

  • September 14, 2006 at 7:30 am

    It’s amazing how much free stuff I’ve found too. Or really, really cheap useful stuff for under $2 around here. People have yet to realize the significance of what they’re just giving away. But ‘stuff’ is getting harder and harder to haul around (transportation costs). Being situated in the right place, right now is a top priority. And even then you might have to move in time.

  • September 18, 2006 at 9:48 pm

    Great read, the only bone I would pick with it is whether people would be free of their debt under a collapse scenario. If it is expected to be as bad as so many say it’s going to be, just how are the debt collectors going to be able to collect on this debt?
    Remember that there is now a negative savings rate in this country the majority of the population has a negative net worth. That combined with the fact that there is US debt of 50 trillion dollars on top of huge mountain of derivatives of an even greater sum, and you are looking at a scenario where the dollar is going to become worthless, and with it all the debt held all these millions of people.

    It takes people to run the machine, and if all those cogs are scrambling trying to survive living in the woods and growing their own food, you are going to have a state of anarchy where no one is willing to participate in or abide by the rules of this capitalist system. Perhaps those who now control the capitalist system would find a way around that problem by co-oping just the few people they need to do their dirty work. Blackwater mercs perhaps? The resistance to these efforts would be tremendous and overwhelming.

    That is not to say the capitalist system would go away, although it very well could in much the same way it went away for a huge chunk of the world after WW2 replaced by a Soviet state. At the very least the present creditors of all this debt would be severely hampered in trying to collect all this debt. I don’t know the numbers but I would guess at least half the US population are living in homes where there is a mortgage to be paid off. In the event of a collapse do you think the banks would foreclose on all those homes? The political repercussions of trying to do so would be suicide. (That’s not to say they wouldn’t try, I believe Karl Marx was completely Marx was right when he stated that capitalists are their own gravediggers)

    Don’t get me wrong, I am not all too impressed with the intelligence of the American populace, for the most part the average American is dumber than a box of dirt, brainwashed by over 50 years of TV programming concentration camp schooling where people regularly raise their hands to classroom fuhrers. But if push came to shove and they started losing their homes, and saw the same thing happening to their neighbors, they would figure things out and take action.

    Just one more point. Under a collapse scenario of the magnitude the peak oil people discuss, the US government would be be completely discredited. A peak oil collapse and the ensuing chaos could very well be the last straw for growing bodies of increasingly disenchanted people in the US military. Given historical examples of military revolts after wars where they were humiliated and came away feeling used by their own leaders, I don’t think US would be an exception. If the US government is overthrown, the US dollar would immediately lose all worth, and so would all debt.

    Just something to think about.

  • September 18, 2006 at 10:20 pm

    Hmm. I can’t say I agree on the points you made, although it’s truly impossible to predict the future. Having said that…

    I don’t believe in a “sudden” crash to be honest (the crash is already underway, but it’s certainly not sudden or even unexepected), or the benevolence of bankers. The Depression revealed their hard-heartedness. Anyone “counting” on forgiveness needs to look around at historical examples.

    Nor do I believe that anarchy will reign. If we reach that point (and it’s possible, admittedly) less then 20% will manage to survive. But it won’t just be American’s killing off Americans, it will be the US government (the huge part that WILL survive) doing a lot of the killing.

    I also have no faith that Americans will take action to protect their homes. They’re not doing it now. Think seizure fever laws. And remember that that IRS siezes 5,000 homes and business per week right now. Nobody is doing a thing about it. Mexico puts us to shame (another stolen election). That box of dirt you mentioned isn’t going to change just because some debtors don’t pay up. They’ll continue to settle for bread and circuses, like always. Even if it’s bread lines.

    And the US government isn’t going away (remember, only two things are certain in this life, death and taxes. Who do you think is going to collect those taxes?).

    The whole body of thought that declares that the US is going to go tits up is bogus in my opinion. This country has a vast, deep infrastructure, psychologically and physically that will be around for a long time, no matter what happens.

    Economic crash doesn’t disable the government. Nor will an energy crisis. It will be the government that manages to survive – who do you think will manage and control the remaining resources?

    Insolvency of the dollar won’t forgive debt either. What do you think the internment camps are for? Debtors prisons and bond servants will be a likely possibility. It won’t be the first time either.

    Collapse, whether big or small, slow or fast, is only going to hurt the little people and NOBODY ELSE. Most of us fit into this category. The rich will remain immune, as always, because money, power and influence will still buy whatever they want or need, it will only cost more, but what do they care?

    Same with the government. They PRINT the money (and even declare what it’s worth) and can buy whatever they need – including control (who do you think will control the food, fuel and energy?). Moreover, they will be one of the few job opportunities around and people (like now) will flock to them so that they can feed their families, while enforcing a greater and greater police state / crackdown on the rest of the population.

    Government won’t go away – just the opposite will happen. Government will grow and increase their ‘authority’ and control and vindictiveness. Dissenters and debtors will be put to work in slave labor camps, executed or exiled.

    The old adage that “faith in the system” is what keeps the system afloat is no longer applicable and hasn’t for a long time. What works now is power and control, and they truly do hold all the reigns. Collapse will only strengthen this power to a degree not heretofore seen in this country.

    We’d like to think or hope otherwise, but I doubt it very much if that will be the case.

    We won’t be shed of this government via collapse – not a chance. This is another one of those modern myths that has no basis in reality. Not this government. If we were a tiny banana republic – maybe, but the USA? Nope, can’t see it. Salvation from tyranny won’t come via collapse, it will just get worse for most and a bit better for some.

    The only way we could be rid of it is… for another post, maybe someday.

  • September 19, 2006 at 8:28 am

    to crash or not to crash, that is the question

    Some ‘thots’ on that … (aka welcome to my cliche festival)

    crash is in process – the die is cast
    shit stinketh AND floweth downhill
    There is far TOO much selfish shit coming down (your way)
    and nothing (or combination) whatsoever can mitigate much less prevent same.

    Some see the GWOT as a “clash of civilizations” but I see it as prelude to the crash of civilizations

    Expect the unexpected – whether paying attention or not.
    If not pestilence, then radiation. If not immolation, then dehydration and starvation, etc. ad nauseum
    Anything can happen and most certainly will.
    We ain’t seen nothing yet.
    The bombers of collective destruction have been vectored. Targets appearing on global radar screens.
    Recall is not possible – or even desirable. Gravity will not be suspended. Let the bombs fall where they may.

    Crash fast (hard)? Crash slow (soft)?
    Well, that’s a tough call – ntm that time is relative

    Does it ultimately matter how? NO
    Does it utimately matter If? YES

    Crash of what?
    IMO the crash of ‘Western civilization’ is already in progress – albeit the impact has yet to be felt by the majority.
    i.e. “The future is here, It’s just not widely distributed yet.” William Gibson
    The “Crash of Me” is well underway – regardless of anyone/anything else.
    Ultimately, The Crash of Man is likewise just a matter of time.

    Gubbermint’s (all) initial thru terminal response will be severe yet ultimately futile attempts at “damage control” – severe control effort of severe damage (damn age)
    Authoritarian efforts will be (are) extensive – yet only marginally ‘effective’ (to the mass ‘mind’) in limited areas and for a limited interval.
    After which ‘all bets are off’, the gig’s up, the last card falls, … aka panic ensues and chaos reigns.
    However, THE problem is far TOO many bacterium in this bushin’ petri dish.
    Any effort that doesn’t solve this primary imbalance (the cause)) is doomed to fail (experience the effect).
    Death abounds. Welcome to Kingdom Come. Pearly Gates dead ahead.
    Caution: Entering the Age of Misery. Followed in a few decades or generations by the Age of Legend.

    Panicked people are not rational, many will latch onto anything claiming to be ‘saviour’ while most others exalt bellum omnium contra omnes. Lemmings to the sea all.

    Certainly, Leviathan will “not go quietly into that good night” – yet darkness will fall (shall prevail).

    “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.” Bertrand Russell

    “… modern man and modern woman face the twin dilemma of powerlessness and loneliness. Not surprisingly, the search for meaning becomes problematic in this context.” – John Fleming

    “The [sole] basis of optimism is sheer terror.” Oscar Wilde , The Picture of Dorian Gray, 1891

  • October 18, 2006 at 1:44 pm

    Thank you for your wisdom. Its true. We have to act now. For our children. Unfortunatly the people in “power” are idiots. It is up to ourselves to start.

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